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antonputman



Joined: 22 May 2014
Posts: 137
Location: North Shore Italy

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:01 pm    Post subject: No more nose jobs! Reply with quote

This is the second time I crashed my mast on the nose of my 1 season old Naish Starship, bummer!

The first time I had it professionally repaired and though it would not happen anymore. This weekend had a nasty catapult, even if I was hooked in and did not let go off the boom. (I do love my new Camaro Armour 2 impact vest!!)
I immediately got of the water when I noticed the damage. Luckily the board has closed cell foam core.

Anyway, the board goes to the repair guy again but now of course I want to prevent any more nose jobs!

So I remember 3 solutions, if there are more please let me know

1. "deviator" / "Jez knob" or whatever
+ easy to install, on any board
- could rip out the mast track?
- more difficult to waterstart, clear sail etc?

2. mast protector
+ easy to install, on any sail
- does it offer enough protection (padding)?

3. nose protector (foam pad)
+ best protection
- ugly, needed on every board
- can't see any damage underneath

Any recommendations as to what's the best solution? What brand, model etc.

Cheers
Anton
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nw30



Joined: 21 Dec 2008
Posts: 6485
Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cut the nose off, it sticks out of the water anyway, a squared off nose is somewhat common anyway. I did it to a JP of mine and have had no problems ever since. It was an 85 Lt. now it's a 84.85 Lt., and maybe even a little quicker, I took off about 4 1/2".
You've popped it's cherry anyway, it's no longer new.
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LeeD



Joined: 12 Jun 2008
Posts: 1175

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've cut the nose off of at least 8 boards, never having needed to do it other than a fun exercise and a need to fit them into smaller cargo boxes.
I haven't been launched since the mid '80's, always remembering somehow to sheet out, let the back hand go, or lean back. OTOH, I'm a smaller sized sailor, and we get launched much less often than the bigger guys.
We have a contractor who has 18 year's of high wind experience, mostly in the surf, and he always get's launched when sailing in flat water. Just bored and not paying attention.
I HAVE broken two noses, one a Sputnik 270 from too aggressive a jibe, sticking the widepoint, and slamming the nose with the mast, the other a harsh nose first landing from pretty high, the nose deck fracturing from the compression due to the nose rocker and the landing force.
I say, let go when the forces exceed your abliity to hold on.
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bred2shred



Joined: 02 May 2000
Posts: 989
Location: Jersey Shore

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skip the deviator.
Use mast padding (and boom if applicable).
Consider a nose pad if you expect repeated nose bashings.

For the most sailors, catapulting is just a "phase". As you improve, it will become a fairly infrequent occurence and when it does happen, usually you can avoid creaming the nose. If you find yourself in a squirrely situation, drop out of the hook.

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Brian_S



Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 249
Location: SE Michigan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I think these dual-density nose pads are pretty good.

https://www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=142

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cgoudie1



Joined: 10 Apr 2006
Posts: 2597
Location: Killer Sturgeon Cove

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:29 pm    Post subject: Re: No more nose jobs! Reply with quote

Hi Anton

They are ugly aren't they! But, they're your best hope for less
nose damage (short of TOW). A squared-off nose isn't particularly
stylish either( unless you're doing freestyle), so pad that baby up.

I recommend these guys https://www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=142

p.s. whether it is a good idea or not, padding the nose tends to make the board worth less on the used market, though probably not less than
a board with a crushed nose ;*)

p.p.s you can still crack a nose, even with a pad

antonputman wrote:
This is the second time I crashed my mast on the nose of my 1 season old Naish Starship, bummer!

3. nose protector (foam pad)
+ best protection
- ugly, needed on every board
- can't see any damage underneath

Any recommendations as to what's the best solution? What brand, model etc.

Cheers
Anton
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NOVAAN



Joined: 28 Sep 1994
Posts: 1544

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I get a new board, I pad the nose and the stomp area in front of the back strap. I user the NSI dual pads and they work well. The draw back would be if you get damage under a pad. You won't know it until its to late...
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antonputman



Joined: 22 May 2014
Posts: 137
Location: North Shore Italy

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, so the 4th solution is to cut off the nose, LoL!
Nah don't think so..

I understand the nose pad is the safest bet, but really, I could not stand having to look at the thing plus again, anything underneat can not be checked for damage. I once saw some pics of a Fanatic rental board with nose protection that looked perfectly fine, than some pics with the protection removed......nah

The deviator.. is it really that bad? I mean the stories are true?
Logic tells me that indeed a slamming force could lever up the mast track.

No I think I will try out the mast protector.
Here is a video of Nik Barker for ION
https://vimeo.com/13681492
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rollerrider



Joined: 17 May 2003
Posts: 100

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not cut off the nose. If the nose doesn't do much than leave it out there to take the punishment. A squared off nose still gets damaged and brings the damage further into the board. Get it repaired and get a nose protector. Be more carful in gusty wind (easy to say, hard to do).
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outhaul



Joined: 27 Sep 2011
Posts: 254

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="antonputman"]
The deviator.. is it really that bad? I mean the stories are true?
Logic tells me that indeed a slamming force could lever up the mast track.

I wondered the same thing so when in Bonaire I asked the guy at Windsurf Place, where every board in the rental fleet was equipped with one. The man laughed and politely said he was the inventor of it and yes it works without collateral damage. I have no experience with the Deviator but a rental fleet would seem to me a pretty good indicator that it does work. Can't think of a more money-where-your mouth-is test, or maybe "$ where your nose is" in this case.
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