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mac
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| Shh, I hear a whistle. Is that the graveyard over there? |
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vientomas
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| mat-ty wrote: | | LHDR wrote: | | mac wrote: | The emperor doesn't have coattails - or even clothes:
| Quote: | David Nakamura
November 18, 2019 at 4:10 a.m. PST
"What Trump did in Louisiana was increase voter participation. While he increased the pro-Trump turnout, he also increased the anti-Trump turnout. That's kind of the lesson here," said Ron Faucheux, a nonpartisan political polling analyst based in New Orleans. |
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A reason to be grateful to corrupt Republicans in the Senate who won't convict the current president. |
You need a crime to convict somebody of something...Sorry but you don't get to remove a president if you don't like him...
Based on what we have seen so far they may not even get aa impeachment vote... |
The Constitution provides that a president can be impeached for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." Treason and bribery are well understood, but the Constitution does not define "high crimes and misdemeanors."
Congress has identified three types of conduct that constitute grounds for impeachment, including misusing an office for financial gain. But the misdeeds need not be crimes. A president can be impeached for abusing the powers of the office or for acting in a manner considered incompatible with the office.
When Gerald Ford was a member of the House, he defined an impeachable offense as "whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history." In other words, impeachment and conviction by Congress is a political punishment, not a criminal one.
1. What constitutes an impeachable offense?
The founders intentionally kept the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" vague, because impeachment is meant to be a political act, not a legal one. Unlike in criminal law, there are no clear rules for evaluating when a president has stepped over the constitutional line.
The founders rejected the term "maladministration" as grounds for impeachment. They didn't want a president tossed out simply because Congress didn't think he was doing a good job. Alexander Hamilton said impeachable offenses were those that involved abuse of public trust. The term is generally understood to mean abuse of office that results in harm to the public.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/what-impeachment-how-does-it-work-10-facts-know-n1072451 |
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mac
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I know that bribery is specifically mentioned in the Constitution--that is the crime that Trump committed, assisted by the three amigos and several others. Some might call it extortion, which it certainly was as well. But you're going to hear a lot of whistles--as opposed to the dog whistles which have long been GOP stock in trade. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Bloomberg's campaign is already doomed. His tweet about the White House's attempt to wrest control of U.S. policy from seasoned diplomats, all to achieve the president’s political ends, reveals his total lack of comprehension of the very foundation of our republic: the public elects officials then lets them run the country. Furthermore, only one office determines that policy, and even the most clueless lefty here knows what that office is. (Clue to that most clueless lefty: That office is currently occupied by Donald Trump.) |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| vientomas wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | LHDR wrote: | | mac wrote: | The emperor doesn't have coattails - or even clothes:
| Quote: | David Nakamura
November 18, 2019 at 4:10 a.m. PST
"What Trump did in Louisiana was increase voter participation. While he increased the pro-Trump turnout, he also increased the anti-Trump turnout. That's kind of the lesson here," said Ron Faucheux, a nonpartisan political polling analyst based in New Orleans. |
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A reason to be grateful to corrupt Republicans in the Senate who won't convict the current president. |
You need a crime to convict somebody of something...Sorry but you don't get to remove a president if you don't like him...
Based on what we have seen so far they may not even get aa impeachment vote... |
The Constitution provides that a president can be impeached for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." Treason and bribery are well understood, but the Constitution does not define "high crimes and misdemeanors."
Congress has identified three types of conduct that constitute grounds for impeachment, including misusing an office for financial gain. But the misdeeds need not be crimes. A president can be impeached for abusing the powers of the office or for acting in a manner considered incompatible with the office.
When Gerald Ford was a member of the House, he defined an impeachable offense as "whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history." In other words, impeachment and conviction by Congress is a political punishment, not a criminal one.
1. What constitutes an impeachable offense?
The founders intentionally kept the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" vague, because impeachment is meant to be a political act, not a legal one. Unlike in criminal law, there are no clear rules for evaluating when a president has stepped over the constitutional line.
The founders rejected the term "maladministration" as grounds for impeachment. They didn't want a president tossed out simply because Congress didn't think he was doing a good job. Alexander Hamilton said impeachable offenses were those that involved abuse of public trust. The term is generally understood to mean abuse of office that results in harm to the public.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/what-impeachment-how-does-it-work-10-facts-know-n1072451 |
let me know when have some compelling evidence,,,,so far we have seen nothing even remotely close to a crime...
If you ever decide to kite I have a friend selling some kids gear cheap...should work well for you...  |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | Shh, I hear a whistle. Is that the graveyard over there? |
Keep dreaming stupid. At best you get a 100% partisan impeachment that will be a stain on the democratic party for eternity. And pay a heavy price on election day.. |
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mac
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | Shh, I hear a whistle. Is that the graveyard over there? |
Keep dreaming stupid. At best you get a 100% partisan impeachment that will be a stain on the democratic party for eternity. And pay a heavy price on election day.. |
You mean like the two Democratic wins in red state governor's races? The ones that Trump said were a referendum on his office?  |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | Shh, I hear a whistle. Is that the graveyard over there? |
Keep dreaming stupid. At best you get a 100% partisan impeachment that will be a stain on the democratic party for eternity. And pay a heavy price on election day.. |
You mean like the two Democratic wins in red state governor's races? The ones that Trump said were a referendum on his office? |
Oh boy Macs getting all wet....Election day is next November nitwit...The party in power always loses seats in mid terms and special elections.......just ask Obama stupid he lost more than anyone...
Trump brought poll numbers up for both candidates. Both elections were razor thin results and only one was a flip......yawn!!!!!!!!
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mac
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | Shh, I hear a whistle. Is that the graveyard over there? |
Keep dreaming stupid. At best you get a 100% partisan impeachment that will be a stain on the democratic party for eternity. And pay a heavy price on election day.. |
You mean like the two Democratic wins in red state governor's races? The ones that Trump said were a referendum on his office? |
Oh boy Macs getting all wet....Election day is next November nitwit...The party always loses seats.In mid terms and special elections.......just ask Obama stupid he lost more than anyone...
Trump brought poll numbers up for both candidates. Both elections were razor thin results and only one was a flip......yawn!!!!!!!! |
It looks like elections are another issue that Matty is ignorant about. Turnout in off-year elections, including these two, is always less than in presidential years—which favors Republicans. I could give you the numbers—but I know you can’t count that high. Trump’s tiny tent is shrinking, and he is offending people who leave—and kicking others out. He’s toxic. Maybe it’s all that KFC. |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | Shh, I hear a whistle. Is that the graveyard over there? |
Keep dreaming stupid. At best you get a 100% partisan impeachment that will be a stain on the democratic party for eternity. And pay a heavy price on election day.. |
You mean like the two Democratic wins in red state governor's races? The ones that Trump said were a referendum on his office? |
Oh boy Macs getting all wet....Election day is next November nitwit...The party always loses seats.In mid terms and special elections.......just ask Obama stupid he lost more than anyone...
Trump brought poll numbers up for both candidates. Both elections were razor thin results and only one was a flip......yawn!!!!!!!! |
It looks like elections are another issue that Matty is ignorant about. Turnout in off-year elections, including these two, is always less than in presidential years—which favors Republicans. I could give you the numbers—but I know you can’t count that high. Trump’s tiny tent is shrinking, and he is offending people who leave—and kicking others out. He’s toxic. Maybe it’s all that KFC.
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Lol you stupid old liberal fool....read and learn stupid.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/barack-obama-won-the-white-house-but-democrats-lost-the-country/ |
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