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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mac wrote:
Keep whistling boys, a 2% cut--that's what it is for 8 out of 10--won't be noticed by most people, won't stimulate much in the way of consumer spending, and won't take the give away to the rich stench of the bill. From the Washington Post:

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“In our polling, we see the Republicans and Trump increasingly equated with looking out for the wealthy instead of regular people,” he explained by phone. “That’s their core messaging problem. It’s not just like, ‘Hey, you are going to get a tax cut, so all’s good.’ What people will see and perceive is that the wealthiest and big corporations and people who are not them are going to get much larger benefits. That comparative point is a key indicator we’ve always seen in polling.”

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee unveiled a six-second pre-roll ad on YouTube yesterday that quickly makes this point: “The Republican tax scheme gives huge breaks to corporations but raises taxes on middle class families,” a narrator says as a woman looks at an invoice in her kitchen.

“We win on this issue because Republicans forgot about middle class families when they wrote this bill,” said Chris Hayden of Senate Majority PAC, the main outside group to help Democrats win the upper chamber.



2000$ That's 4 tickets to Disney, that's a new patio set, that's a few new laptops ...... now multiply by 200 million...get the picture?


under Obama the corporations had record profits and they did not invest in a big way.. trickle down was reaguns and it did not work, he did the same con job. again making the ultra rich much richer and the middle class poorer and huge debt started by him.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trickle down does not work. The lowest multipliers, historically have been corporate tax cuts , and reduced rates for the wealthy. We will get a .2% GDP bounce , and a $1TR deficit in fiscal 2019....and the highest debt/GDP ratio in modern times...
Matty, is that a Harvard Biz School economic thesis you penned?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
Trickle down does not work. The lowest multipliers, historically have been corporate tax cuts , and reduced rates for the wealthy. We will get a .2% GDP bounce , and a $1TR deficit in fiscal 2019....and the highest debt/GDP ratio in modern times...
Matty, is that a Harvard Biz School economic thesis you penned?


The sky is falling, the sky is falling, it's all you lefties have.
I don't pretend like you to be an economics expert. What did you major in a at Syracuse? greatful dead with a minor in foosball.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that facts aren’t allowed in the bubble—but ramming this through has cost the party big time. An 18 point swing on health care and the economy. Already unpopular turtleman and Ryan have dropped 14 points. Maybe the sky is falling—on Reeps.https://morningconsult.com/2017/12/21/shifting-opinion-gop-leaders-signals-risks-midterm-elections/
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WooHoo! Trump has managed the Most Amazing move to happen in 30 years! He has activated the Only Mechanism that exists for Growing the Economy. Trickle Down is the Only thing that works in a free society. I really didn't think I would ever see a reversal of the Obama Cat-ass-trophy in my lifetime. Its a good sign that the DemTards and CommieCrats are dragging around sucking their thumbs and whining with excrement running down their legs. Remember how they treated Reagan? America Can Be Great Again!!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know that facts aren’t allowed in the bubble—but ramming this through has cost the party big time. An 18 point swing on health care and the economy. Already unpopular turtleman and Ryan have dropped 14 points. Maybe the sky is falling—on Reeps.https://morningconsult.com/2017/12/21/shifting-opinion-gop-leaders-signals-risks-midterm-elections/


Poor old Mac clinging to polls 12 months away....News flash, the party in the dumps is always more motivated, that's why they generally do well in mid-terms and special election.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

updraft wrote:
WooHoo! Trump has managed the Most Amazing move to happen in 30 years! He has activated the Only Mechanism that exists for Growing the Economy. Trickle Down is the Only thing that works in a free society. I really didn't think I would ever see a reversal of the Obama Cat-ass-trophy in my lifetime. Its a good sign that the DemTards and CommieCrats are dragging around sucking their thumbs and whining with excrement running down their legs. Remember how they treated Reagan? America Can Be Great Again!!


reagun debt debt debt spiral.... It was the major stimulus to destroy the middle class look at the money inequality distribution from Reyguns piss on americans...

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faux-Human said:

"reagun debt debt debt spiral.... It was the major stimulus to destroy the middle class look at the money inequality distribution from Reyguns piss on americans..."

Yes, thanks to the Demtards led by Rudolph the Red Nose Tip Oneill, who spent $1.30 for every new dollar collected. The Reagan Stimulus DOUBLED revenues to the Treasury, but even that could not keep up with the Demtards wild spending proclivities.

The notion that there should be 'money equality distribution' is a stupid communist principle. If you want to live under that kind of system, all you have to do is move 60 miles south of Florida, where you will find Cuba, a communist paradise already well established. Or Venezuela, the latest proof that communism is the bleakest of failures. It only took a few years to turn a rich county into a nation of starving savages, eating all the zoo animals.

Don't screw up the USA with your commie crap.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
Trickle down does not work. The lowest multipliers, historically have been corporate tax cuts , and reduced rates for the wealthy. We will get a .2% GDP bounce , and a $1TR deficit in fiscal 2019....and the highest debt/GDP ratio in modern times...
Matty, is that a Harvard Biz School economic thesis you penned?

Try breaking down what "trickle down" really is, break it down all the way to its essential elements, not the demonization that the mainstream media have tried to redefine it as to what they think it is, ever since the Reagan administration.
You will find that it is nothing more than your basic free market capitalism, that's all it is, nothing more. So you have to ask yourself if you are against free market capitalism, if you are then you can stand by your belief, its all yours.
The numbers you are using have little to do with what's in peoples wallets, and that's what really counts in the voting booth.
The next elections are going to go down to "are you better off today than you were yesterday?" An that is what should determine the outcome if people play close attention, that's the rub, they often don't but more are.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try looking at the facts. The Reagan tax cuts didn’t result in so much growth that tax revenues increased, or an increase in income. That happened under Clinton.
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