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swchandler
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It amazes me how so many here are fooled by the bold distortions and distractions regularly being presented by Donald Trump and his administration. Frankly, it's quite troubling that many folks are so easily enthralled by the blatant lies and deception. Unbelievably, truth and credible evidence isn't required.
Yet, I believe that the truth will be revealed. So, I'll be patient and wait. In the end game, I fully expect Trump will ultimately wear the ugliness he has created. With his current approval ratings this early in his term, it's already clear that the handwriting is on the wall. |
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mrgybe
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| coboardhead wrote: | | Cmon Mrgybe......... |
I've made no secret of my discomfiture with President Trump. However, month after month of relentless negativity directed at him and at anyone associated with him is beyond pathetic. Every rumor, every wild accusation from unnamed sources given front page billing as though it is fact, and parroted gleefully here by people with nothing better to do. And then, when those rumors turn out to be completely untrue, like the Jewish bomb threats.........crickets. These incessant, unsubstantiated attacks, so transparently designed to undermine his authority, also undermine this country.
You have already told us that he is not your President. If you wish to adopt that immature posture, fine. But don't expect more thoughtful observers to take your obvious bias any more seriously than the ramblings of the usual suspects here. BTW, Rice is not a scapegoat, she is a proven liar. Anything she says regarding Administration misconduct should properly be treated with great suspicion. |
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jp5
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:39 am Post subject: |
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"I've made no secret of my discomfiture with President Trump. "
The best thing about Trump is, he isn't Hilliary. |
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mat-ty
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| coboardhead wrote: | Cmon Mrgybe
The GOP has disliked Rice for years and she has been a target and a convenient scapegoat.
The Trumpies have jumped on the "possibility" that Rice did more than her job based on evidence that she was doing her job to distract from the numerous ties between the Russians and the Trump team. For the record...I believe we need to have ALL of the facts on the table before passing judgement. A strategy, apparently, the POTUS does not subscribe to.
I don't care if you take me seriously. We all get to sit back and watch how this plays out. I just think it is ludicrous how the Administration is trying to distract us from this investigation. Don't you find Trump's behavior just a little bit childish?
Meanwhile we have a man at the helm that may not have the capacity or temperament to do the job. Let me ask you a couple of direct questions...
"Should Mr. Trump be tweeting accusations that Obama is guilty of high crimes?". and "Are you comfortable with Mr. Trump dealing with the Russians and the North Koreans"? |
Cobo the Russian thing is fabricated nonsense going nowhere, if they had an ounce of incriminating evidence we would have learned it by now, remember this has been going on for almost a year. Many democrats have similar ties and no one cares because they mean nothing. You libs are embarrassing yourselves at this point...CAN YOU SAY OVERREACH?
Trump endures months of lies and fake news against himself and kept his cool pretty good IMO. After getting information he was being spy on WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN TRUE, he sends out a tweet, one little f@@king tweet and the haters like you go insane. So in your mind its okay to attack , smear, and disparage a man for months , but one little TWEET and he's the worst human in history. Really????????? Can you see how irrational you have become.
As far as temperament, I have to say I have been pleasantly surprised. I think he has shown a calm demeanor and an ability to reach out to democrats. After the first round of the health care bill failed was a great example of a man who can handle defeat and is willing to listen to others. Far more open to talk and conversation than Obama was, there are even democrats on the record who have said Obama was a bad communicator and uniter. |
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mac
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| mrgybe wrote: | | coboardhead wrote: | | Cmon Mrgybe......... |
I've made no secret of my discomfiture with President Trump. However, month after month of relentless negativity directed at him and at anyone associated with him is beyond pathetic. Every rumor, every wild accusation from unnamed sources given front page billing as though it is fact, and parroted gleefully here by people with nothing better to do. And then, when those rumors turn out to be completely untrue, like the Jewish bomb threats.........crickets. These incessant, unsubstantiated attacks, so transparently designed to undermine his authority, also undermine this country.
You have already told us that he is not your President. If you wish to adopt that immature posture, fine. But don't expect more thoughtful observers to take your obvious bias any more seriously than the ramblings of the usual suspects here. BTW, Rice is not a scapegoat, she is a proven liar. Anything she says regarding Administration misconduct should properly be treated with great suspicion. |
So little time, so much horseshit to be spread around. Here's how the alt-right system of lies spreads them. Lest we forget the presence of alt-right bigot Steve Bannon next to Trump's ear. And lets ignore the fact that the most vicious attacks of the alt-right are on black officials, le Susan Rice.
| Quote: | Alex Kaplan
The Susan Rice Unmasking Story Is A Perfect Case Study Of The New Pro-Trump Propaganda Ecosystem
or most of the last decade, the flow of misinformation was often easy to track in media, with right-wing media often forcing mainstream outlets to follow the stories and tone they favored. Now, a couple of months into President Donald Trump’s administration, this pattern has changed and new players have entered the ecosystem. Groups that used to be contained to their own bubble have been able to insert themselves into the food chain and been able to spread not just misleading, but patently false information to right-wing outlets and sometimes even in turn to mainstream media. A new dubious allegation regarding Susan Rice, former national security adviser to President Barack Obama, illustrates how this new pattern can spread pro-Trump misinformation and propaganda from fringe sources into mainstream media outlets.
Recently, fake news and the white nationalist “alt-right” movement have become two of the country’s biggest problems in terms of fighting misinformation. Both government officials and websites like Facebook and Google are trying to lessen the harmful impact as websites that share fake news continue to mislead news consumers. And the “alt-right” is growing in prominence thanks in part to President Donald Trump’s choice of Stephen Bannon, the former chairman of “alt-right” website Breitbart News, as his chief strategist. Fringe “alt-right” forums, on sites like Reddit, 4chan, and 8chan, exercise influence by pushing conspiracy theories and leading harassment campaigns
or most of the last decade, the flow of misinformation was often easy to track in media, with right-wing media often forcing mainstream outlets to follow the stories and tone they favored. Now, a couple of months into President Donald Trump’s administration, this pattern has changed and new players have entered the ecosystem. Groups that used to be contained to their own bubble have been able to insert themselves into the food chain and been able to spread not just misleading, but patently false information to right-wing outlets and sometimes even in turn to mainstream media. A new dubious allegation regarding Susan Rice, former national security adviser to President Barack Obama, illustrates how this new pattern can spread pro-Trump misinformation and propaganda from fringe sources into mainstream media outlets.
Recently, fake news and the white nationalist “alt-right” movement have become two of the country’s biggest problems in terms of fighting misinformation. Both government officials and websites like Facebook and Google are trying to lessen the harmful impact as websites that share fake news continue to mislead news consumers. And the “alt-right” is growing in prominence thanks in part to President Donald Trump’s choice of Stephen Bannon, the former chairman of “alt-right” website Breitbart News, as his chief strategist. Fringe “alt-right” forums, on sites like Reddit, 4chan, and 8chan, exercise influence by pushing conspiracy theories and leading harassment campaigns
These different groups do not operate in a vacuum. Repeatedly, they have come together to spread and amplify their misinformation and claims. Often, a claim will start on a fringe outlet or forum, and other such sites will amplify the misinformation, then fake news purveyors will push it, and then the claim will jump into more traditional right-wing media before sometimes spreading into mainstream media. Trump aides and other people connected to Trump have even promoted some of those stories, crucially helping them break through at times.
And that brings us to Rice.
On April 2, Mike Cernovich, a self-described member of the “alt-right,” claimed in a post on Medium that the “White House Counsel’s office identified Rice as the person responsible for the unmasking” of Trump officials caught in surveillance of foreign officials “after examining Rice’s document log requests.” The claim then spread among fringe outlets such as The Gateway Pundit — which said the unmasking “was purely for political purposes” — and Infowars, and spread via posts on 4chan and Reddit.
As the claim started getting pickup on Twitter, Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president, promotedCernovich with a tweet linking to the main page of his Medium blog (the next day, Donald Trump. Jr praised Cernovich for “breaking the #SusanRice story”).
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The claim was then echoed by Bloomberg’s Eli Lake, who added a layer of credibility to the attempted smear, writing that Rice “requested the identities of U.S. persons in raw intelligence reports on dozens of occasions that connect to the Donald Trump transition and campaign.” Meanwhile, multiple fake news purveyors hyped the allegations, dubiously claiming that Rice “could be headed to jail” for “absolute treason.”
Lake conceded in his piece, however, that Rice’s requests “were likely within the law.” Legal and national security experts echoed that conclusion, saying Rice’s actions weren’t “odd or wrong,” did not indicate “anything improper whatsoever,” and were “within the scope of the job of a national security advisor like Rice.” Lake’s caveats did not prevent him from going on both Sean Hannity’s radio and Fox News show, where the right-wing host described the story as “worse than Watergate.”
As the claim spread into the mainstream, some in right-wing media criticized mainstream outlets for not giving the story enough attention or for not presenting it the way they would. Although some mainstream figures have echoed the consensus of experts, others have also suggested that Rice could be guilty of some kind of wrongdoing. Fox News in particular insisted that something must be improper if not illegal about Rice’s actions, and in their scramble to claim they may have had the story before Cernovich, likely outed themselves as another outlet that the White House used as a puppet for the Rice leak.
Right-wing criticism of mainstream media’s coverage will likely ramp up, spurring some mainstream outlets to defend their coverage or possibly tweak some of their framing under pressure.
This is the new media ecosystem in the Trump era. No longer are these false claims all originating in traditional right-wing media before mainstream outlets give in to pressure to cover them. Now they can start from these fringe pro-Trump propaganda outlets, with right-wing media picking them up. Meanwhile, members of the “alt-right” continue to gain more prominence and acceptance in traditional conservative and conservative media circles. Indeed, radio host Rush Limbaugh, while hyping the Rice story, bragged that mainstream media outlets are “not the arbiters anymore”; whitewashed the original source of the story, Cernovich, as simply a “pro-Trump blogger,” and said CBS’ 60 Minutes “tried to destroy him”; and criticized mainstream outlets for dismissing the story because it was pushed by right-wing media.
This is not the first example of misinformation following such a trajectory. In March, after a federal judge in Hawaii placed a hold on Trump’s revised Muslim ban, fringe “alt-right” outlets such as Infowars and Gateway Pundit pushed a conspiracy theory that appeared to have started on Reddit alleging that Obama conspired with the judge. The claim then spread among fake news purveyors and was pushed by Donald Trump Jr. before breaking through to more traditional conservative media figures and outlets like Hannity and the Independent Journal Review. Later that month, in order to back up Trump’s false claim that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower, Infowars dubiously claimed it had National Security Agency documents that provided proof. The claim made its way around other “alt-right” outlets and fake news purveyors and wound up being pushed at the top of the Drudge Report.
This is the danger that the new media environment presents. The fringe is no longer being siloed; it has actively been raised into the mainstream by pro-Trump forces both known and unknown, and has been repeatedly validated by both mainstream reporters and especially an administration that has no hesitation about lying to the world. It’s crucial that mainstream media outlets understand this new environment and the kind of claims and conspiracy theories it puts forth. It is one thing to share the mainstream with extremist cranks, propagandists, and liars. It’s another thing to succumb and do their pro-Trump misinforming for them.
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boggsman1
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| Hey Rightys...assuming you guys are older than 25..get used to it!! In the first 2 years of Obama , some bloated NY Yorker held a press conference where he claimed the birth certificate of the sitting president was a fake! And a lot of folks here still think Obama isn't who he is...So, Trump lovers, get used to it.. the muckraking has just begun!!! |
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mrgybe
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Just when we thought he couldn't get any more pathetic........"it's because she's black". |
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mat-ty
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mac
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| mrgybe wrote: | | Just when we thought he couldn't get any more pathetic........"it's because she's black". |
The viciousness of the attacks on Obama, Rice, Lynch and Holder explained. The connection to the alt-right ignored. Pathetic indeed. Speak no evil of fellow conservative, no matter how bigoted their comments.
Selective diversion--mrgybe ignores the lying machine, which was the point. |
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