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LHDR
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| mrgybe wrote: | | LHDR wrote: | | Is this the propaganda poison already working? Just the fact that a couple hundred thousand more people are enrolling in Obamacare this year despite the higher premiums seems inconsistent with the Republican death spiral. I also read that on average insurers did better in 2016 than 2015, and that 2017 will see continued improvement. To me, it looks like it'll need interference from Republicans, like the repeal and delay charade, to cause collapse of Obamacare. |
Wow! If only Aetna, United Healthcare, Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield had read what you have seen, they would have realized that the billions they are losing is just propaganda and wouldn't have pulled out. And perhaps if the 17 out of 23 State co-ops that have collapsed had known that 2017 will be better, they could have hung on a little longer........maybe another $2.5 billion of taxpayer money would have helped? After all there are a couple of hundred thousand more old and sick people who want insurance.
Oh those terrible Republicans and their charades!! I despair of people learning the facts before shouting their opinions. |
It is almost always possible to use select data and rhetoric to obfuscate an issue, and I appreciate Mrgybe's mastery.
Nobody is arguing that insurers did not loose billions of dollars and that claiming so is propaganda. Propaganda is to falsely claim that Obamacare is collapsing without Republican interference, against the evidence.
Loosing billions of dollars seems to be an inherent part of doing business. I bet even oil companies have lost billions of dollars some years and will again. In health insurance, premiums increased to deal with this. Didn't even the new president loose almost a billion dollars one year? If he can loose a billion and yet turn out to be great, maybe one should look at the losses and exit of health insurance companies as something to be concerned about but not to the point of proclaiming inevitable failure of Obamacare. |
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mrgybe
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| LHDR wrote: | | Loosing billions of dollars seems to be an inherent part of doing business. |
Thank you for confirming that you have no idea what you are talking about. If you can't see the connection between the major players in Obamacare withdrawing because they are losing billions of dollars, and the implosion of that program, then your financial acumen is matched only by your inability to correctly spell "losing". |
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swchandler
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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I guess it's a bit of a financial tragedy for health insurance companies having to offer comprehensive ACA coverage to folks with pre-existing conditions. You have to wonder why it was acceptable and tolerable for hospitals to pick up the tab for these sick folks in the past, and then pass it on higher costs to everyone else that needed care. I'm thinking that it must have been easy for folks that didn't need care to look the other way. No need to worry about the growing number of bankruptcies resulting from health care problems. If I'm not feeling it, who cares, that's their problem.
You have to wonder where Donald Trump and Republicans will take situation, and who will ultimately lose once the ACA is repealed, especially in light of the fact that Trump campaigned on protecting folks with pre-existing conditions. He also promised to make insurance much better and far less expensive for all Americans, and still somehow stem and control future cost growth.
Without the ACA insurance mandate in place, how's that going to work? What financial benefits and/or incentives will need to be promised to health insurance companies to keep them all on board in competitive numbers, and how will it all be paid for? Will Republicans in Congress then agree to pass on token financial grants to the states, and let them deal with the wholesale problems and fallout as they see fit?
Maybe some experienced business minds like mrgybe can enlighten us on the path forward. |
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MalibuGuru
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobody wants to be forced into buying a product that they don't want, even a good one. In this case, the product stunk. |
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real-human
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:45 am Post subject: |
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| MalibuGuru wrote: | | Nobody wants to be forced into buying a product that they don't want, even a good one. In this case, the product stunk. |
ya moron only 20 million additional people think you are in lala land.
again if you look at the charts of health care costs in the USA with adding 20 million (remember the right wingers said the economy would tank yet it grew every single month after obama passed it) again the decrease in the annual rate it was going up on liberals vs right winggers in essence decreased the cost to be less and included 20 million more americans. Thus again with the rate increases seen under right wingers vs liberals there was a major cost decrease in healtcare of the USA under Obama ve your stupid right wing ways.
daaaaaaa you are too stupid to figure that out.
hey idiot again see above we decreased the rate of spending in the usa under obama while adding 20 million to be insured.
again when the fox (right wingers) are helping the CEOs get their 200 million dollar a year corporate handouts there is no one protecting the americans. Again too friggen bad the top ten guys in the CO are not getting their 100 million dollar handouts... again yep no double digit increases when dems are watching the chicken coop. too friggen bad let them squel louder. We really do not need the middle men who do nothing but suck money off the system. we still have the most expensive healtcare in the world with no metric that it is any better than the ones with no middleman.
| mrgybe wrote: | | LHDR wrote: | | Loosing billions of dollars seems to be an inherent part of doing business. |
Thank you for confirming that you have no idea what you are talking about. If you can't see the connection between the major players in Obamacare withdrawing because they are losing billions of dollars, and the implosion of that program, then your financial acumen is matched only by your inability to correctly spell "losing". |
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real-human
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toooo funny days till this idiot huband is deported because she voted for trump... she thought only the criminals would be deported... what an idiot. again trump voters are just idiots...
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/23/1646596/-Wife-of-Husband-Now-Deported-Voted-for-Trump-Because-She-Liked-Immigration-Policy
Wife of Husband Now Being Deported Voted for Trump Because She Liked His Immigration Policy
| Quote: | The family of a northern Indiana restaurant owner who ICE detained during a routine check-in in February says he’s scheduled for deportation Friday.
Roberto Beristain is the owner of a popular restaurant in Granger called Eddie’s Steak Shed. His family says he came to the United States from Mexico City illegally in 1998. He later obtained documentation to work in the country and checked in with ICE each year.
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During an interview earlier this month, Helen said she voted for President Donald Trump because she supports his immigration policies. She said criminals should be deported, but she didn’t think her husband would face that fate.
“[Trump] did say the good people would not be deported, the good people would be checked,” Helen said. |
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jp5
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Here are two very good examples of why affirmative action does not work:
1. Elijah Cummings
2. Maxine Waters
Here are 3 very good examples of why there should be term limits:
1. Schmuck Chumer
2. Dianne Feinstein
3. Nancy Pelosi |
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real-human
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| jpbassman wrote: | Here are two very good examples of why affirmative action does not work:
1. Elijah Cummings
2. Maxine Waters
Here are 3 very good examples of why there should be term limits:
1. Schmuck Chumer
2. Dianne Feinstein
3. Nancy Pelosi |
did you get that from fake news racist russia times... is that what they are having their trolls serve up today for the right wing lemmings who cannot think for themselves.
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jp5
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Hey Dean, if you here a whistling sound by your right ear, duck. |
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real-human
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| jpbassman wrote: | | Hey xxx, if you here a whistling sound by your right ear, duck. |
troll...
if there is a whistling sound by my right ear I will be having a huge party....
Fool , I am deaf in my right ear from birth..
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