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westender
Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 1288 Location: Portland / Gorge
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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I enjoy the single cam option on a couple of my sails. |
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joethewindsufa
Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 1190 Location: Montréal
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:14 am Post subject: |
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the ONLY one camber sail I know of is the HotSailsMaui SpeedFreak
and have NOT seen one live/in action
freerace typically have two
are there other one cam sails ?? |
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wynsurfer
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 940
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Ezzy Lion, one two or none |
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Arrgh
Joined: 05 May 1998 Posts: 864 Location: Rio
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DanWeiss
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 2296 Location: Connecticut, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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zirtaeb wrote: | Or, perhaps, the cambered sails were always paired with a flat rockered wide slalom board, long blady fin, and mast track well forwards.....that allowed the decent upwind sailing..... |
Yes, that's the associated gear on which they first rode. I'm sure you were privy to some of the very earliest versions.
Yet while pretty much everything moved around on shortboards through the mid -90s, they did so as the cam sails got so much better for wind range and performance than their RAF counterparts (a few exceptions come to mind as always). Once the masts got up to speed, so to speak, the performance of all sails took off once again. The rocker lines became even more high aspect which , in turn, allowed more powerful fins etc., etc.
In 1986 I sailed 1985 Simmers with one cam. I used them for everything -blasting, down the line and cruising around. My wave riding was compromised but my ability to catch waves seemed much better as I had more speed and ability to get upwind. For me, at the time, the handling on the wave wasn't as important as jumping over the roof and getting upwind. _________________ Support Your Sport. Join US Windsurfing!
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rswabsin
Joined: 14 May 2000 Posts: 444 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:14 am Post subject: |
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"In 1986 I sailed 1985 Simmers with one cam. I used them for everything -blasting, down the line and cruising around."
In the early to mid 90's, Northwave had a line of sails called the Tri-Lite which had a single removable cam that were intended for flat water blasting to wave riding. I thought these sails were brilliant. The cam was very easy to set on the mast and was easily removed. The sails came with an extra 3/4 length batten that would fit into the sleeve of the cammed batten (after it was removed) for wave riding. The upwind performance and powerful jibing ability of these sails was really awesome in flatwater and B&J conditions. These sails were designed for SDM masts but I was surprised to find that the cam fit really well on RDM masts once these became popular. They were a really fun sail.
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shwhiteh
Joined: 25 Jul 2009 Posts: 2
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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When I started sailing formula I originally used a Sailworks retro 10.0 as a bridge to get used to the larger sails and new board. I eventually moved to a full cam 11.0. The retro gave great power and drive upwind, easily equal to my full cam sails. Where it did not perform well was blasting deep off the wind in heavy chop. The motion of the board pounding against the chop, constantly accelerating and decelerating would cause the sail to pump. Thiis "self-pumping" of the sail created control issues with constantly changing sail loads where with the cam sail it is just a matter of point downwind, hang on and enjoy the ride. Off the wind to deep off the wind is where the cams shine! |
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adywind
Joined: 08 Jan 2012 Posts: 665
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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shwhiteh wrote: | Off the wind to deep off the wind is where the cams shine! |
Something recreational sailors extremly rarely do. |
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westender
Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 1288 Location: Portland / Gorge
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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I know one guy that has a collection and will sail nothing else.
rswabsin wrote: |
In the early to mid 90's, Northwave had a line of sails called the Tri-Lite which had a single removable cam
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tramontana00
Joined: 15 Feb 2010 Posts: 204
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Nothing really new here. Bruce P. used his Hucker for strong wind slalom racing with great success. Some conditions are just better suited for no-cam sails. That being said cambered sails will outperform no-cam sails most of the time. PWA guys have to register their sails, six sails max. so no room for too many options. Local racers can take advantage of no-cam sails. Question is, just how many sails do you want to carry around with you?
For freeracing, it makes sense to use no-cam sails. Less expensive, less maintenance, less tuning, easier to rig...if these are the objectives.
For max. performance, cambered sail is the king. More stability, wider range, more down-pressure for more control and speed, better average speed in gusty conditions, better top speed in gusts and better workout |
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