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mat-ty
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| mac wrote: | So, you two are okay with 2 of Trump's top campaign staff meeting with a Russian agent to coordinate the Trump and the Russian campaigns to elect Trump? You are okay with multiple members of Trump's direct staff, and Trump, and his son, to monetize for themselves relaxation of the sanctions against Russia?
Can you explain how this is right?
I'll remind you of a few of the facts.
| Quote: | Paul Manafort, in his capacity as campaign chairman and chief strategist, ordered Deputy Campaign Manager Richard Gates to share internal polling with a Russian who was widely believed by Manafort associates, as well as by the FBI, to be connected to Russian intelligence.
Stop right there!
Do you need any further information?
Internal polling data is highly confidential and a very valuable strategic work product. Typically, campaigns are loath to share much, if any, of it with the press. They labor assiduously to make sure opponents don’t see it.
Even big donors are exposed only to a carefully curated version, and almost never get a detailed document.
The only people to whom campaigns give detailed internal polling data are their most important, and most trusted, allies.
At one point, Manafort gave 70 pages worth to his Russian contact.
It wasn’t a singular occurrence. Mueller’s report notes, “Gates stated that, in accordance with Manafort’s instructions he periodically sent [his Russian contact] polling data via WhatsApp; Gates then deleted the communication on a daily basis.” |
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I almost feel bad for you, but then I remember what an asshole you are..lol
2 years and you have done nothing but post nonsense, innuendos, hearsay, anonymous sources, conspiracy theories, and much more.
Talking with Russians is not against the law...just ask the Clinton's, or Joe Biden and countless others .. |
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mac
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I knew you wouldn’t answer the question. Team treason, featuring Matty. |
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real-human
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | So, you two are okay with 2 of Trump's top campaign staff meeting with a Russian agent to coordinate the Trump and the Russian campaigns to elect Trump? You are okay with multiple members of Trump's direct staff, and Trump, and his son, to monetize for themselves relaxation of the sanctions against Russia?
Can you explain how this is right?
I'll remind you of a few of the facts.
| Quote: | Paul Manafort, in his capacity as campaign chairman and chief strategist, ordered Deputy Campaign Manager Richard Gates to share internal polling with a Russian who was widely believed by Manafort associates, as well as by the FBI, to be connected to Russian intelligence.
Stop right there!
Do you need any further information?
Internal polling data is highly confidential and a very valuable strategic work product. Typically, campaigns are loath to share much, if any, of it with the press. They labor assiduously to make sure opponents don’t see it.
Even big donors are exposed only to a carefully curated version, and almost never get a detailed document.
The only people to whom campaigns give detailed internal polling data are their most important, and most trusted, allies.
At one point, Manafort gave 70 pages worth to his Russian contact.
It wasn’t a singular occurrence. Mueller’s report notes, “Gates stated that, in accordance with Manafort’s instructions he periodically sent [his Russian contact] polling data via WhatsApp; Gates then deleted the communication on a daily basis.” |
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I almost feel bad for you, but then I remember what an asshole you are..lol
2 years and you have done nothing but post nonsense, innuendos, hearsay, anonymous sources, conspiracy theories, and much more.
Talking with Russians is not against the law...just ask the Clinton's, or Joe Biden and countless others .. |
moron it is not illegal for Clinton to have an affair with Monica... It is illegal to pay off porno stars with private money to hide affairs to win elections. Yet the right held investigations for was it 6 years on Clintons.
what Benganzi lasted how many years, was it 4? How many committees about 6 and there was no executive privilege requested for a single witness and Hillary testified under oath I believe 2 times and one was for 11 hours and I do not remember any significant I do not remember bombardment. Not one single person was indicted by a grand jury and not one conviction.
and that was not over treason or the theft of an election. As Mueller indicated Trump would not testify, Trump would not answer questions, and when trump agreed to answer some questions many or most were I can not recall. And some he did answer were lies. in total trump and his liars were caught in 200 separate lies about dealings with Russia. not one or 2 or 3 or 4 , but over 200... and that was to americans and fbi and so on.
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real-human
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Benghazi hearings...
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real-human
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needless to say trump was in the know of and the scheduling of the criminal organization wikileaks. Wikileaks at that time and now was a criminal organizaion. and as we know trump when wikileaks did leak he praised them. He loved them.
well Gates is the main person who flipped and is giving the full details. Don't you right wingers just hate it when a right winger tells the truth....
Democratic support for impeachment swells, as do GOP retirements
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mac
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As I have said from the beginning, Russia-gate was always about Trump and his cronies making money by eliminating the sanctions. That was always the quid-pro-quo for Putin's help. The sanctions were putting immense pressure on Putin, and he wanted out.
Putin's particular form of corruption in the dismantling of the former SSR's was to sell off/privatize state assets at bargain prices, to oligarch's who kicked back money to Putin. Oleg Deripaska was one of the particularly powerful oligarch's.
There were 272 contacts between people working on the Trump campaign and Russians, some oligarchs, some state agents. All of this is well documented in the Mueller report.
Obama imposed sanctions on the Russian government, and Hillary had done so before, because of their invasion of Ukraine and Crimea and their pervasive interference in the 2016 election. Trump tried to let those sanctions lapse, in ate 2018:
| Quote: | WASHINGTON — The Trump administration announced on Wednesday that it intends to lift sanctions against the business empire of Oleg V. Deripaska, one of Russia’s most influential oligarchs, after an aggressive lobbying campaign by Mr. Deripaska’s companies.
The decision by the Treasury Department, which had been postponed for months, was both politically and economically sensitive, and drew criticism from some Democrats and foreign policy analysts that the administration was sending the wrong signal to Moscow about its conduct toward its neighbors and the United States.
The companies are among the biggest in the aluminum industry, and questions about their fate had roiled global metals markets. And Mr. Deripaska’s stature in Russia made any decision seen to be in his favor tricky for the administration at a time when President Trump is under investigation by the special counsel in connection with Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Mr. Deripaska and his businesses — including the world’s second-largest aluminum company, Rusal — were hit with sanctions in April in retaliation for Russian interference in the election and other hostile acts by Moscow. |
Congress responded by developing legislation to block the administration from letting the sanctions lapse--with 57 Senators in support--but McConnell blocked the effort. https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/chuck-schumers-campaign-block-russia-sanctions-relief-comes-short
Now we see the pay-off to Moscow Mitch. From Time magazine:
| Quote: | BY SIMON SHUSTER/LONDON AND VERA BERGENGRUEN/ASHLAND, KY. AUGUST 13, 2019
Last summer, it looked like things were finally about to change for Ashland, Ky. For two decades, the jobs that once supported this Appalachian outpost of 20,000 people on a bend in the Ohio River have been disappearing: 100 laid off from the freight-rail maintenance shop; dozens pink-slipped at the oil refinery; 1,100 axed at the steel mill that looms over the landscape. Then, on June 1, 2018, standing on a stage flanked by the state’s governor and business leaders, Craig Bouchard, the CEO of Braidy Industries, pointed across a vast green field and described a vision as though he could already see it.
In the little-used park just off I-64, Braidy would build the largest aluminum mill constructed in the U.S. in nearly four decades. The $1.7 billion plant would take aluminum slab and roll it into the material used in everything from cars and planes to soda cans. It would employ 600 full-time workers earning twice the average salary in the region, Bouchard said, and create 18,000 other jobs across the state. Gesturing at the empty space around him, the CEO described an employee health center, a technical lab, a day care and hundreds of employees walking around “carrying iPads.” More than just making aluminum, the plant would help “rebuild northeast Kentucky, and in fact all of Appalachia,” Bouchard told the crowd.
There was just one problem: Bouchard still needed a major investor to make the vision a reality. After months of searching, the only option was problematic. Rusal, the Russian aluminum giant, was tailor-made to join forces on the project. But it was under sanctions imposed by the U.S. Treasury Department. Its billionaire owner, Oleg Deripaska, a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s, was being investigated by special counsel Robert Mueller for his potential involvement in the effort to swing the 2016 presidential election. The Treasury sanctions—punishment for the Kremlin’s “malign activities” around the world, including “attempting to subvert Western democracies”—made it illegal for Americans to do business with Rusal or its boss. |
Always follow the money. |
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mat-ty
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| mac wrote: | As I have said from the beginning, Russia-gate was always about Trump and his cronies making money by eliminating the sanctions. That was always the quid-pro-quo for Putin's help. The sanctions were putting immense pressure on Putin, and he wanted out.
Putin's particular form of corruption in the dismantling of the former SSR's was to sell off/privatize state assets at bargain prices, to oligarch's who kicked back money to Putin. Oleg Deripaska was one of the particularly powerful oligarch's.
There were 272 contacts between people working on the Trump campaign and Russians, some oligarchs, some state agents. All of this is well documented in the Mueller report.
Obama imposed sanctions on the Russian government, and Hillary had done so before, because of their invasion of Ukraine and Crimea and their pervasive interference in the 2016 election. Trump tried to let those sanctions lapse, in ate 2018:
| Quote: | WASHINGTON — The Trump administration announced on Wednesday that it intends to lift sanctions against the business empire of Oleg V. Deripaska, one of Russia’s most influential oligarchs, after an aggressive lobbying campaign by Mr. Deripaska’s companies.
The decision by the Treasury Department, which had been postponed for months, was both politically and economically sensitive, and drew criticism from some Democrats and foreign policy analysts that the administration was sending the wrong signal to Moscow about its conduct toward its neighbors and the United States.
The companies are among the biggest in the aluminum industry, and questions about their fate had roiled global metals markets. And Mr. Deripaska’s stature in Russia made any decision seen to be in his favor tricky for the administration at a time when President Trump is under investigation by the special counsel in connection with Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Mr. Deripaska and his businesses — including the world’s second-largest aluminum company, Rusal — were hit with sanctions in April in retaliation for Russian interference in the election and other hostile acts by Moscow. |
Congress responded by developing legislation to block the administration from letting the sanctions lapse--with 57 Senators in support--but McConnell blocked the effort. https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/chuck-schumers-campaign-block-russia-sanctions-relief-comes-short
Now we see the pay-off to Moscow Mitch. From Time magazine:
| Quote: | BY SIMON SHUSTER/LONDON AND VERA BERGENGRUEN/ASHLAND, KY. AUGUST 13, 2019
Last summer, it looked like things were finally about to change for Ashland, Ky. For two decades, the jobs that once supported this Appalachian outpost of 20,000 people on a bend in the Ohio River have been disappearing: 100 laid off from the freight-rail maintenance shop; dozens pink-slipped at the oil refinery; 1,100 axed at the steel mill that looms over the landscape. Then, on June 1, 2018, standing on a stage flanked by the state’s governor and business leaders, Craig Bouchard, the CEO of Braidy Industries, pointed across a vast green field and described a vision as though he could already see it.
In the little-used park just off I-64, Braidy would build the largest aluminum mill constructed in the U.S. in nearly four decades. The $1.7 billion plant would take aluminum slab and roll it into the material used in everything from cars and planes to soda cans. It would employ 600 full-time workers earning twice the average salary in the region, Bouchard said, and create 18,000 other jobs across the state. Gesturing at the empty space around him, the CEO described an employee health center, a technical lab, a day care and hundreds of employees walking around “carrying iPads.” More than just making aluminum, the plant would help “rebuild northeast Kentucky, and in fact all of Appalachia,” Bouchard told the crowd.
There was just one problem: Bouchard still needed a major investor to make the vision a reality. After months of searching, the only option was problematic. Rusal, the Russian aluminum giant, was tailor-made to join forces on the project. But it was under sanctions imposed by the U.S. Treasury Department. Its billionaire owner, Oleg Deripaska, a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s, was being investigated by special counsel Robert Mueller for his potential involvement in the effort to swing the 2016 presidential election. The Treasury sanctions—punishment for the Kremlin’s “malign activities” around the world, including “attempting to subvert Western democracies”—made it illegal for Americans to do business with Rusal or its boss. |
Always follow the money. |
lol, Mac the clown is still trying to keep the Russian hoax alive....how many improprieties did Mueller uncover????????let me see if I can held stupid old man..................ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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mac
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| 272 contacts, lies about every one, and bribery. As long as it is white russians doing it, Matty's all in. |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | 272 contacts, lies about every one, and bribery. As long as it is white russians doing it, Matty's all in. |
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah my ribs are sore,,,,,,,you fucking idiot!!!!!!!!!!! |
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MalibuGuru
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | 272 contacts, lies about every one, and bribery. As long as it is white russians doing it, Matty's all in. |
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah my ribs are sore,,,,,,,you fucking idiot!!!!!!!!!!! |
He's coo coo for coco puffs. Russia, Russia, Russia Where's the straight jacket? |
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