Warming oceans

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[mat-ty]

[mac]

Utter nonsense from someone whose head is in the sand--and perhaps investments are in military companies. Investing in infrastructure--or education or research--creates wealth. Exactly the things that the foolish pussy grabber wants to cut. The military generates fewer jobs per million than almost anything. But don't confuse scummy with facts.

[GURGLETROUSERS]

To get back to water quality!! There are strict rules in cleaning up our beaches and waters, at all resorts. (E.U. Based) Councils must mechanically drag and comb and smooth up the beaches, and water companies have been forced to build new improved 'super' sewer discharge pipe lines. (Screened for solids, and dumping further out to sea.) Resorts are now blue flagged for meeting all the latest bathing safety laws. Unfortunately, 'It Aint Necessarily So'.

Our local super sewer now discharges three miles out to sea, yet, as any surfer knows, in onshore surf conditions, te whole scummy greasy stinking river of poo gets washed back in. To keep their blue flag status, pollution readings are NEVER taken at such times!

The irony is that these resort blue flag areas are usually in safe from currents protected BAYS, where the strong scouring tidal streams around our coasts do not operate, or are at their weakest. Once washed in, pollution can remain for quite some time. And I haven't even mentioned DOG fouling!!!

One up for longboard or kayak cruising along exposed and scoured open cliff lines, as against 'pratting about' in safe enclosed current free bays!

[real-human]

[GURGLETROUSERS]

Thinking about disposal of sewage at sea, the only problem I think, is that it is not discharged far enough out into the tidal flow to prevent it from drifting back in in adverse conditions. It can then pollute beaches, and closed bays.

If dumped far enough out to sea, what is the problem? Sewage is a part of the natural recycling process, and nothing will ever alter that, so I can't really see it as damaging the oceans. It probably does far more good, in the natural cycle of nature. (It HAS been going on for millions of years.)

I often used to joke that I wouldn't want to be swimming behind a huge herd (or whatever the term is) of Sperm Wales, which can sometimes run into the hundreds. They all have rather large 'cake holes' and 'exhaust pipes', and you can bet they don't just bottle it up!

Anyway, some of us older surfers have long ago boosted our immune system from the days when we used to surf amid floating turds, from our old 'busted' Victorian sewer systems. Never did us any harm, as they say! (Those of us who survived, that is.)

It's our nearby Atom Box (nuclear power station) that I worry about. Doesn't put my mind to rest when I see steam blowing out of various vents, but I don't yet actually glow in the dark, and it's too late now to really worry anyway.

[J64TWB]

Sewage isn't the issue. It's agricultural runoff. Non point source pollution from fertilizer and pesticides.

[GURGLETROUSERS]

You seem to be very unhappy Bluefish, with our modern way of life which you, along with the rest of us, are a willing partner in. (If not, you'd long ago have opted out, and lived a simple remote subsistence kind of life.)

We seem to have agreed on sewage (build and deposit further out to sea, and let nature do the rest) which you initially raised, but now say isn't a problem, and have now raised the issue of pesticides and fertiliser run off.

Well I agree with you, as do most concerned people, but what, in a world desperate for food production from the land (third world countries obvious problems) is the answer? The use of pesticides should (is) now rigidly controlled since they can become counter productive with over use, apart from the pollution problems, but fertilisation in general is now an essential part of our modern intensive farming yield methods. It gives us a non limited supply of good quality food. (And yes, I am aware of the claims of the organic only lobby, that such food is far superior, but recent analysis has thrown doubt on some of those claims. Debunked them, as some of the press put it.)

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[MalibuGuru]