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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. The past half dozen presidents ignored the NOKO threat.

2. The NOKO threat now exceeds those from China, Russia, and the global jihad crazies because Kim Jong Un is insane and has (or will have within this U.S. presidency) nukes and delivery systems.

3. Even if KJU were rational, he will sell them to the highest bidder, who would immediately try to kill as many Americans as possible with population center strikes and/or an EMP strike.

4. BECAUSE of #1, Trump has no choice but to do whatever it takes to stop NOKO now. That he is trying every diplomatic solution we can imagine (and a few behind the scenes, as most administrations do) is to his credit.

5. Never forget that Candidate Hillary Clinton promised to invade any nation that harbors terrorists. (That now includes NOKO.)

I've even heard that a handful of the biggest idiots on the Left claim Trump has threatened to start a nuclear war with NOKO. Ummm ... THAT WAR STARTED WHEN I WAS A YOUNG MAN (SEE #1), IT'S ONLY GOTTEN WORSE, AND NOW IT'S APPROACHING THE POINT OF NO RETURN BECAUSE OF #2 AND #3. I personally gain from continuation of #1 simply because I may not be around to see the mushroom clouds (I have predicted for several decades that I would probably live to see them), but the WORLD gains with #4. Be glad we finally have a president willing to act if necessary; it should have been done decades ago, or at the very least when this manchild took over NOKO. (I assume everyone has seen the insane claims KJU makes of his physical and mental supremacy.)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
Instead of posting news stories that we have already seen, tell us oh wise one, what do you think Trump should do?
Killing himself or resigning are not acceptable answers, that would be too easy for you.


This is another case of Trump being wrong, and the simplistic reasoning "how hard could it be?" of Trump and his acolytes is just foolish indeed. Anyone out of power--red or blue--can prescribe simple nostrums for North Korea that won't work. Any actual war will devastate tens of thousands, if not millions, in South Korea and Japan. Cutting diplomatic staff at the Department of State like this administration has done loses the deeper expertise that might suggest solutions. Like Trump in 2016, I don't have to have a solution in hand to know his lack of attention to detail, stupidity, and laziness is a recipe for disaster.

Here's what Agent Orange said during his campaign according to the Council on Foreign Relations.

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President-Elect Donald J. Trump says the U.S. government should be paying more attention to North Korea, a nuclear-armed country he said is led by a “maniac,” referring to Kim Jong-un. The Republican in May 2016 stated that he would be willing to meet and negotiate with Kim.

After North Korea tested a nuclear device in January 2016, Trump said China and South Korea should put pressure on Pyongyang. He said China has “total control” over North Korea and that if Beijing doesn’t “solve the problem, we should make trade very difficult with China.” Weeks later, following North Korea’s launch of a satellite that Western countries suspect was a front for a ballistic missile test, Trump again called on China to intervene. “I would get China to make [Kim Jong-un] disappear in one form or another very quickly,” he said in an interview.

Speaking in March 2016, Trump indicated that as president he might support Japan's developing its own nuclear weapons capability in response to the threat from North Korea. Additionally, he said he would be willing to withdraw U.S. forces from South Korea and Japan if these treaty allies did not contribute more financially to their own defense.

Trump wrote in 2000 that he would preemptively strike North Korea if it continued to pursue nuclear weapons technology: “I would let Pyongyang know in no uncertain terms that it can either get out of the nuclear arms race or expect a rebuke similar to the one Ronald Reagan delivered to Muammar al-Qaddafi in 1986.”
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac: "Like Trump in 2016, I don't have to have a solution in hand to know his lack of attention to detail, stupidity, and laziness is a recipe for disaster."

You just described "strategic patience" that Obama was so proud of.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
So you are advocating for a three front war, but only after NK drops the big one first. Then according to your approach, the U.S. will be the only conquering super power country left, to rule over what remains, along with the nuclear winter.
Sounds like a plan, you can leave me out of it.


understand, USA will not survive NKs first attack.

there is no long war there is a major launch, it is over in several hours. USA does not win it is gone from NK attack. We only need about 1/10th of our nukes to take out chins's military/police installations/major military plants and leaders, and same with Putins KGB, military/police military contractors. The subs then lie and wait till they can go after Putin and Chinese leaders if they survived the attack or if their people cannot take them out.

again NK with china and putins help are at the present time able to destroy america as we know it if they have moved their nukes to our off shore. And with this continual support will place the nukes off our coasts if they haven't yet. again with simple weather balloons can destroy America right now.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is happening right now in Iran, is what should be happening in NK, the people rising up against their own corrupt regime. Could this be the beginning of a regime change? Too soon to tell.
The last time this happened Obama just sat back and basically did and said nothing, he had a deal with the regime in the works at that time which he didn't want to risk losing. Not so with Trump who is openly supporting the people of Iran.
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-warns-iran-world-is-watching-after-anti-government-protests-11189106

Unfortunately for NK, little Kim has kept his people so literally starving and full of worms, that they probably don't have the strength to rise up.
During the cold war we had "radio free Europe" which helped the people behind the iron curtain keep informed about the outside world, that had a huge effect leading to the demise of the wall,,,,,,,,,, along with Reagan.
Hopefully today there is some kind of 'radio free Korea' going on to let the Norks what's happening in the outside world and currently in Iran.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
What is happening right now in Iran, is what should be happening in NK, the people rising up against their own corrupt regime. Could this be the beginning of a regime change? Too soon to tell.
The last time this happened Obama just sat back and basically did and said nothing, he had a deal with the regime in the works at that time which he didn't want to risk losing. Not so with Trump who is openly supporting the people of Iran.
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-warns-iran-world-is-watching-after-anti-government-protests-11189106

Unfortunately for NK, little Kim has kept his people so literally starving and full of worms, that they probably don't have the strength to rise up.
During the cold war we had "radio free Europe" which helped the people behind the iron curtain keep informed about the outside world, that had a huge effect leading to the demise of the wall,,,,,,,,,, along with Reagan.
Hopefully today there is some kind of 'radio free Korea' going on to let the Norks what's happening in the outside world and currently in Iran.


idiot do you think the russian people can stand up to the worlds most dangerous man... read your stupid crap and realize Putin will kill anyone in his way you kiss ash putin lovers...

He Putin alone supports the NK, Iranians and Syrian dictators ...

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Typical, gonna have to buy this stuff by the case.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
Typical, gonna have to buy this stuff by the case.


You probably shoot it up your arse because you are so stupud. again IQ of 30...


I got it right again, I said russia and China are lying and supporting NK playing the idiot Trump like the fool he is....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/898465/north-korea-kim-jong-un-un-security-council-trade-sanctions

Russia accused of aiding North Korea with 100 MILLION gallon oil transfers at sea

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

as I said...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-had-help-china-004918124.html

North Korea had help from China, Russia in building missile program: Gen. Jack Keane

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-may-helping-north-korea-162025026.html

Russia may be helping North Korea skirt sanctions through smuggling

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North Korea made $200 million over nine months through illicit trade—with the country’s coal being shipped through Russia in several instances—according to a UN report obtained by NBC News.

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