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mrgybe
Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 5180
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:17 am Post subject: Americas Cup 2017 |
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If you haven't been following the Americas Cup, it is well worth a look (on NBC Sports Network, and sometimes on their app.) It's on the Great Sound in Bermuda which I have sailed and windsurfed many times and is an excellent venue for this event. They are sailing 15 metre foiling cats which have been reaching 45 knots plus, routinely achieving high speed foiling tacks and jibes, and are incredibly twitchy to sail. Its exciting stuff; the camera coverage is the best I've seen for a regatta. Interestingly, the sailing was cancelled yesterday due to high winds, but as the commentators were filling time, they were showing aerial shots of the Sound, and, lo and behold, a windsurfer! When the others are heading in, we are heading out! |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:31 am Post subject: |
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The pitch pole by the Kiwis the other day was impressive, but us windsurfers can do that also. Late take-off on a wave, stick the nose of the board at the bottom of the drop-in, pearling, come back up and hope your mast is still in one piece. When I first saw it, I was thinking to myself, "I can do that".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivs_KM1PwBo |
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dmilovich
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 99
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Fun to watch the videos. Hot boats, scary fast.
But as a father of a windsurfing daughter (and with a wsing partner), I gotta ask - why are there no women on any team? (sigh) |
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dllee
Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 5329 Location: East Bay
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Watched a bit when it was in San Francisco.
America's Cup is held for winds BELOW 25 knots, so high wind sailing is out.
The little practice boats are fun and nice, but nothing compared to the real thing. |
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grantmac017
Joined: 04 Aug 2016 Posts: 946
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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dmilovich wrote: | Fun to watch the videos. Hot boats, scary fast.
But as a father of a windsurfing daughter (and with a wsing partner), I gotta ask - why are there no women on any team? (sigh) |
There have been in the past but the cats are way more physical with a lot less crew compared to the boats of previous eras. I doubt you'll see any unless mandated.
A great deal of the crew don't actually have any sailing experience, they just provide the muscle. Frequently rugby players and now cyclists. |
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dmilovich
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 99
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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@grantmac
Yup, I know that's the present situation. The key word is "mandated". The rules should include a requirement that the crew be 50/50 male female. Why no one, particularly the sponsors, has stepped up to encourage that is beyond me. The boats won't go any slower, the races may just get a lot more audience. And even better, in 10-15 years, there may be more women sailors of all kinds. |
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d0uglass
Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 1286 Location: Bonita Springs, Florida
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ya, I agree it would be cool to see coed teams in the Americas Cup. Also would show that the giant wealthy corporations that sponsor the boats place some value on gender cooperation and equality.
In the Devil's Isle Challenge this spring (brutal 30 mile sup race around most of Bermuda) the women's world champion sup racer Annabelle Anderson (a Kiwi) took the overall title about 15 minutes ahead of AC skipper Jimmy Spithill and some pro level male sup racers. I think that shows something about how women can kick ass if given the opportunity. _________________ James' Blog: Windsurfing Equipment Size Calculator
http://jimbodouglass.blogspot.com/2010/11/updated-windsurf-calculator-online.html |
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grantmac017
Joined: 04 Aug 2016 Posts: 946
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Very few of the crew are actually sailors though. They come from other, more muscle driven sport.
If you mandated 50/50 crews they would need to slow the boats down to reduce the power needed. Generating the hydraulic power needed to run the wing sail and winches is a massive effort. |
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justall
Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 442
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Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Americas Cup 2017 |
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mrgybe wrote: | When the others are heading in, we are heading out! |
Exactly, mygybe! When the beach umbrellas launch, so do we. |
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DanWeiss
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 2296 Location: Connecticut, USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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grantmac017 wrote: | Very few of the crew are actually sailors though. They come from other, more muscle driven sport.
If you mandated 50/50 crews they would need to slow the boats down to reduce the power needed. Generating the hydraulic power needed to run the wing sail and winches is a massive effort. |
What AC team employs mostly non-sailors?
One or two sailors (all grinders of some sort) are not elite racing sailors. ETNZ has a Bronze medal-winning indoor cycling champion as the front cyclor. Everyone else on board has either won one or more Olympic sailing medals or a sailing world championship.
OTUSA sailors are all high level, with multiple medals, championships and AC experiences.
Artemis sailors likewise hold multiple Olympic medals and world championships. One grinder is a canoe sprinter, with four Olympic appearances.
With respect to women being unable to keep sufficient hydrolic pressure, that's likely incorrect. While the cyclor/grinder debate isn't yet answered, that's mostly because of the enormous wattage output able to be produced by men who stand at the grinders. OTUSA claims the wattage output is the same as those on ETNZ who sit on a bike. I doubt it, but it's likely close.
+ Added: My buddy is an elite hand cyclist. Boston Marathon times in a bit less than one hour. I'm a mildly out of shape road cyclist. A decade ago, my riding group could kick out 26 miles in 35-40 minutes. My friend hand cycles by necessity. He no longer can stand. His wattage output if he did stand (cardiovascular performance is hampered by sitting) would find him a "seat" on any AC boat save ETNZ. Bikes likely win the watt challenge.
However, the power output delta between male and female cyclists is far less than the difference between the respective gender's arm-crank power output. Women should have no problem if using bikes.
The other factor is how the system is engineered, and how the rules may restrict the pressure storage. All the teams use three pressure storage units as allowed.
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