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scottwerden



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but what are you going to do about it? Take drugs (the most common treatment from the medical profession)? Ugh. That is not what I want. My sister has bad sleeping problems (she is 69) and obsesses about it endlessly and has spent lots of time and money on treatments, none of which has worked. I figure, that either I can cave into endless medical interventions or just resign myself to the new reality of growing older than humans were ever meant to grow, deal with the consequences, suck it up, and manage it on my own which means lots of nights being up 2a to 4am, reading various blogs and other things. I try to get out every day and do something - windsurf, surf, SUP, work in our (large, 2 acre) yard, hiking, whatever, and hope it is enough to maybe sleep 7 hours uninterrupted. It is what it is.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only known effective remedy for chronic insomnia is cognitive behavior therapy/CBT managed by an insomnia specialist. I fire any "sleep doctor" who pushes drugs (a majority, in my experience) because drugs are of very limited use and only temporarily effective. I used to use Benadryl until I learned of its side effects, which include permanent dementia, DWI convictions, imperceptible next-day drunkenness (i.e., it impairs driving as thoroughly as 0.08 blood alcohol, which the police and courts know), and the self-delusion that we're not impaired. Besides, I can't jibe on it.

Those late nights of blogging (or whatever) probably CAUSE your sleep onset insomnia. It's your call whether that's more important to you than your health (just one of many such effects often includes obesity and its devastating health effects) and/or your life (a few hours' lost sleep leads to a 1,000% increase in one's serious automobile accident rate the following day).
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paulxgrim



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:34 pm    Post subject: warm body Reply with quote

I work in mental health and do rudimentary therapy for sleep problems. One thing that I have never heard mentioned is the benefit of cuddling and snuggling. If you are single, then I recommend snuggling with a pet.

Theoretically, it follows from the principle of limbic regulation.

Also, personally I find that running is very helpful. Releases endo-canabinoids which can be sedating. Generally sleep experts don't recommend exercising in the late afternoon/evening, but I have found that running may be an exception. Of course, check with your PCP first. It doesn't help me, unless I run HARD.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: warm body Reply with quote

paulxgrim wrote:
Generally sleep experts don't recommend exercising in the late afternoon/evening, but I have found that running may be an exception.

Rhythmic evening exercise helps me, too. If it's moderate, it can be near bedtime. If it's intense, such as a Tabata, I'd better give it an hour or two for me to calm down. But that's all highly personal; some people just don't relax that quickly. Experiment.
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paulxgrim



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not familiar with the rhythmic exercise, but you reminded me that for some people "restorative yoga" is a good bedtime practice.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulxgrim wrote:
Not familiar with the rhythmic exercise ...

as opposed to lifting weights, HIIT, or other intense, high-effort exercises. Simple moderate cardio on a treadmill, elliptical, or road comes to mind.
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ramps



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, got it, no sleep = bad! Not much on how to correct it though. Sometimes it's a matter of training yourself and stopping bad habits. Google "sleep hygiene" and you may find a couple of tricks, for example, reading in bed can tell the brain that it's not time to sleep.
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ldhr



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramps wrote:
OK, got it, no sleep = bad! Not much on how to correct it though. Sometimes it's a matter of training yourself and stopping bad habits. Google "sleep hygiene" and you may find a couple of tricks, for example, reading in bed can tell the brain that it's not time to sleep.


Sounds like a sure fire cure is to run with your dog in the afternoon and then sleep with said dog.

Have you tried going to the GOrge Greenery for a consult? Smile
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paulxgrim



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and then do downward dog with your dog
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biffmalibu



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Kill your TV Reply with quote

Most people in USA watch too much TV.
TVs are now ubiquitous; yes, I'm referring to the TVs in every bedroom of the typical American home, the TV in your hand (a.k.a. "cell phone") AND on your desktop (a.k.a. "computer").
TV emissions (audio and visual) are excitatory for the brain. Anxiety is generated, and it's not the healthy kind of anxiety. Exciting the brain is great for programming the brain to buy products OR to join whatever belief system you are exposing yourself to. But it's terrible for getting to sleep.

If you have a sleep disorder, the first easy thing to do is to disconnect from the TV at LEAST an hour before bedtime.

Scientists and doctors have known about this for many decades. For infants, it's even worse, because their brains are very malleable; they can literally
be hardwired in a bad way. This includes AUTISM (that's right; parents are responsible, not vaccines).

KILL YOUR TV. Read a book.
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