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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:53 pm    Post subject: False Equivalencies Reply with quote

From the Antifa site, a list of recent right wing violence:

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you antifa guys are actually more hateful and violent than any neo nazi group in the 21st century. its fucking disgusting and you should be branded as terrorists just as much as the KKK

We’d usually just block you, Anon, but we’re going to use your message as a reminder of where the violence is coming from in 2017. Off the top of our heads, here’s what the year has looked like so far:

January 20, 2017: A right-wing extremist shoots a protestor at a Milo Yiannopoulos event at the University of Washington.

January 29, 2017: Alexandre Bissonnette walks into a mosque in Canada during evening prayers and opens fire, shooting 17 people and killing six of them.
January 2017: Over 40 Jewish centers in the U.S. receive bomb threats.

February 22, 2017: Adam Purinton tells two men from India to “get out of my country” then shoots both plus a bystander, killing one.

February 28, 2017: a mosque in Toronto is set on fire by arsonists.

March 12, 2017: a mosque in Ypsilanti, MI. is set on fire by arsonists.

March 20, 2017: James Jackson arrives in Manhattan with a sword and stabs the first black man he sees to death. He later tells authorities he “intended to kill as many black men as he could.”

March 24, 2017: Yelling “I hate Muslims!” a man in Minneapolis stabbed a Somali man in an attempt to kill him.

March 26, 2017: A racist mob attacks a 15-year-old Polish boy in Gloucestershire and, when a local Asian shopkeeper tries to intervene, attack him as well with crowbars and baseball bats, then attempt to run him over with a car.

March 31, 2017: A 17-year-old Iranian/Kurdish boy is nearly beaten to death by a mob of eight people in Croydon after he revealed to them that he was a refugee.

April 6, 2017: A Charlotte store is set on fire by an arsonist who leaves a warning message for the shop owner that he “did not want any refugee business owners and that they would torture the owner if they did not leave and go back to where they came from,” according to police. It was signed “White America.”

MAY 5TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:
April 30, 2017: A white man storms a pool party in San Diego and shoots four black women, two black men, and one Latino man while allowing white attendees to leave. One victim dies while the other six sustain critical injuries.

MAY 10TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

May 5, 2017: A man walking his dog on South Beach in Miami is confronted by two men who call him a “fucking faggot,” then attack him, beating him unconscious. At one point in the attack, one of the attackers shouts “all faggots need to die and we’re going to make sure they do!”

MAY 18TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

May 14, 2017: Vandals spray-paint hate graffiti on the home of a black family in upstate New York before attempting to set the house on fire while the family slept. Although the family escaped unscathed, their garage burnt to the ground and their house suffered some damage.

May 17, 2017: A homophobic mob break into the home of a gay couple and shoot and stab both men to death.

MAY 23RD: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

May 20, 2017: University of Maryland student and member of the “alt-Reich” facebook group Sean Urbanski walks up to 22-year-old Richard Collins III, who is black and who Urbanski does not know, and stabs him to death in an unprovoked attack.

May 27th: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

May 24, 2017: A barrage of doxxing, rape threats, and death threats received by trans comic book artist Sophie Labelle forces her to cancel an appearance and event at a Halifax book store, which also received bomb threats and threats of attacking the event. Labelle is forced into hiding.

May 26, 2017: Three men intervene on a MAX train in Portland when they witness another man verbally abusing two Muslim women with an Islamophobic tirade. The Islamophobe responds by pulling out a knife and stabs the three interveners, killing two of them.
MAY 30th: EDITED TO INCLUDE:
May 27, 2017: A white man drives his pickup truck through a campsite, targeting the Native Americans camping there while yelling racial slurs at them. He intentionally drives over two Native American men, killing one and injuring the other.

June 3rd: EDITED TO INCLUDE:
March 3, 2017: A Sikh man is shot and injured in front of his Seattle house by a white man waring a mask, who yells at him to “go back to your country!”

May 27, 2017: A 34-year-old Anthony Hammond lets loose with a flurry of racial slurs directed at a black man in a parking lot, then pulls out a machete and stabs the man before barricading himself in his apartment for several hours, until finally surrendering to police.
JUNE 13th: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

January 1, 2017: 19-year-old Nathan Richardson encounters 67-year-old jogger Wenqing Xu and beats him to death in an unprovoked, random attack. After committing the murder, Richardson texted his friends that he “fucked sum chink up. Bodied him. I think pure crime scene – his head’s gone,”

JUNE 19TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

June 18, 2017: two men armed with baseball bats attack a group of Muslim teenagers, kidnapping a 17-year-old girl, who they beat to death, dumping her body in a pond.
June 1, 2017: A Princeton professor and racialized woman is forced to cancel a three-city lecture tour to promote her book about the Black Lives Matter movement after receiving over 50 death threats.

June 19, 2017: Shouting “I’m going to kill all Muslims!” 47-year-old Darren Osborne drives a courier van through a crowd of Muslims leaving a Finsbury mosque, killing one person and injuring ten others.
JULY 4TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

January 28, 2017: a First Nations woman walking with her sister is struck by a trailer hitch hurled from a passing vehicle. After struggling in hospital for several months, she succumbs to her injuries.

June 21, 2017: an Islamophobe approaches a Muslim man and woman sitting in a car stopped at a traffic light and knocks on the window. When the driver rolls down the window, the Islamophobe sprays the driver and passenger with acid, severely burning both.

JULY 16TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

February 21, 2017: a 24-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Chicago, IL.

February 26, 2017: a transgender woman is shot and killed in New Orleans, LA.

March 1, 2017: a transgender woman is stabbed to death in New Orleans, LA.

March 22, 2017: a 38-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Baltimore, MD.

April 21, 2017: a 28-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Miami, FL.

May 17, 2017: a 34-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Fresno, CA.

July 2, 2017: a 28-year-old transgender woman is shot and killed in Lynchburg, VA.

JULY 25TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

June 3, 2017: 38-year-old white supremacist Phillip Wade racially abuses a 57-year-old black man on an Oakley, CA. bus, then pulls a knife and stabs the man to death while the man is walking away from the confrontation. The victim is the third racialized person Wade has stabbed in the past six years and the second person he’s murdered.

July 16, 2017: A man attempts to pull the hijab off of a Muslim woman waiting for the tube in London, then hits her when she resists. He then pins her friend to the wall and spits in her face before leaving.

July 16, 2017: Arsonists set a mosque in Manchester ablaze.

July 18, 2017: A NASA researcher of South Asian descent has her car windshield shattered by a rock thrown through it by an assailant screaming “go back to your country!” She’s injured in the attack.

AUGUST 2ND: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

July 19, 2017: Two men exit a car and attack a racialized pedestrian with their fists and an iron bar.

AUGUST 7TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

August 5, 2017: A mosque in Bloomington, Minnesota is firebombed, narrowly missing killing & injuring dozens of members there for morning prayers.

AUGUST 10TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

August 8, 2017: A well-known Chicago neo-nazi starts an altercation at a concert, then pulls out a smuggled knife and stabs a man and a woman at the show.

AUGUST 12TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

August 12, 2017: A white supremacist in Charlottesville, VA. drives his car at high speed directly into a crowd of anti-racist protestors, killing one woman and seriously injured 19 other people.

AUGUST 12TH: EDITED TO INCLUDE:

January 25, 2017: An arsonist destroys the only mosque in Victoria, Texas.

In case you have trouble counting, Anon, that’s three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve shootings, three four five six seven arsons, two three four seven eight nine ten eleven stabbings, two three four five mob beatings, over 40 41 bomb threats and an acid attack by bigots, Islamophobes, nazis and racists so far this year.

Eight Nine Eleven Twelve Fourteen Fifteen Sixteen Seventeen Eighteen Nineteen Twenty twenty-one twenty-two twenty-three twenty-four twenty-five twenty-six Twenty-seven Twenty-Eight people are dead because of these bigoted attacks and fifteen twenty-one twenty-two twenty-three twenty-five thirty-five thirty-seven thirty-nine fifty-eight were severely injured.

But it’s anti-fascists that people should be worried about, right?

“you should be branded as terrorists just as much as the KKK“
Really, now? Anti-fascists are as much terrorists as the KKK, a terrorist organization which murdered over 3000 people in lynchings, arsons, bombings, etc. over its 150-year history, are we?
Maybe it’s time you learned about the logical fallacy of false equivalence, Anon!


I belong to the ACLU, which protects the legal right to demonstrate, even for despicable people like those in Charlottesville. But the idea that they have any respect for the rule of law is ridiculous. Here's the latest news about their planned event in Berkeley from our Mayor:

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The City of Berkeley has received many emails and calls about the impending August 27 white nationalist rally at Civic Center Park. We want to reiterate that the city has not approved this gathering. It is an event organized online. No one has tried to obtain a permit nor has one been granted.

This rally, and its hateful rhetoric, is not welcome in Berkeley. We are currently exploring all options. The city will keep residents informed as the date approaches.

I also want to be clear that anyone who threatens to engage in violence -- and we have seen from earlier events that this is exactly their intent -- will be arrested and punished to the fullest extent of the law. We urge residents to avoid the Martin Luther King Jr Civic Center Park on this day. The best way to silence the white nationalists is by turning your back on their message. (Stay tuned for updates from us about how to positively send a message that the hate will not be tolerated.)

I think residents understand the extremely difficult position Berkeley finds itself in, made even more so by dealing with an amorphous group with no specific organizers. I want to reiterate that we will not allow our community to be terrorized by a small band of white supremacists whose ideology of hate is a losing one. Berkeley is proud of its multiculturalism and diversity, and we will continue to stand united against those who want to divide us.


But folks like mrgybe and the other alt right here, who pretend otherwise, will describe Black Lives Matter as a terrorist group like the KKK. False equivalencies forever. Scum.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 cops etcetera?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

False Equivalencies: mac and logic

Speaking of the ACLU, beings that mac just used them~

ACLU joins suit against Charlottesville over moving site of ‘Unite the Right’ rally Saturday
Friday, August 11, 2017

The organizer of a protest scheduled to take place in Charlottesville, Virginia, this Saturday over its decision to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a downtown park has sued the city for relocating the site of his rally on the eve of the event.
Free speech attorneys at the American Civil Liberties Union and the Rutherford Institute filed the lawsuit in Richmond federal court Thursday on behalf of Jason Kessler, a Charlottesville blogger and the brains behind Saturday’s “Unite the Right” rally, after city officials revoked his event permit this week and ordered him to relocate the protest from one park to another over public safety concerns.
The Charlottesville City Council voted in April to remove the monument and rename Lee Park, but a judge granted a temporary injunction the following month leaving the statue in place pending further proceedings.
Mr. Kessler had planned to hold the event at Emancipation Park, formerly Lee Park, where the statue slated for removal has stood for nearly a century. He received a permit from the city on June 13 to hold a “free speech rally in support of the Lee monument” there this Saturday, but abruptly learned on Monday of this week that the event had been moved to Mclntire Park roughly a mile away.

For the rest~
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/11/aclu-joins-suit-against-charlottesville-over-movin/

And
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ACLU fights back after Terry McAuliffe blames group for Charlottesville protest
by Ariella Phillips | Aug 14, 2017, 8:56 PM

The American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia is fighting back after Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe said the group is responsible for the deadly white supremacist rally Saturday getting out of control.
The ACLU of Virginia sued the city of Charlottesville on Thursday over permitting for the white supremacist protest.

ACLU of Virginia Executive Director Claire G. Gastanaga said McAuliffe was using the group as a scapegoat.
"It is my firm hope and desire that the governor and other state and local officials will learn from this past weekend how constitutionally to prevent events like the horror we saw in Charlottesville from ever happening again."

For the rest~
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/aclu-fights-back-after-terry-mcauliffe-blames-group-for-charlottesville-protest/article/2631519

Keep trying mac, maybe somebody from some crazy group will try to recruit you.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You must be so proud of Trump's comments today about all the good people at the KKK/Nazi rally. I guess you already knew that Trump's daddy was arrested for rioting as a KKK member. Stand tall, he's your guy.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
5 cops etcetera?


Did you get that from an alt-right site as propagated by the russians....

Or did the right wing print that or pay someone to print it...

ya like right wingers to to events and check the garbage....

I have outed your lie. Me a single blogger...

Show me a picture where a known prominent member showed that in public and endorsed it.

If not you are a Nazi-KKK-Russian propagandist. Tell us who is the garbage picker...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey malbui-racist nazi

try this one on for size.. this is real and supported by many right wingers...

he got 5000 votes in a small district to show you how many hard hard core racists there are...


http://www.snopes.com/make-america-white-again-billboard/



a few more he was going to put out... go to the link but here is one...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

baja said:
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try this one on for size.. this is real and supported by many right wingers...

he got 5000 votes in a small district to show you how many hard hard core racists there are...


And your point is??????????????

Rick Tyler got 1.9% of the votes in his congressional district election. The winner was Republican Chuck Fleischmann (Incumbent) with 66.39% (over 176,000 votes).

Typical, take a grain of fact and twist it to suit your radical agenda. There are racists, both conservative and liberal - It won't change anytime soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
baja said:
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try this one on for size.. this is real and supported by many right wingers...

he got 5000 votes in a small district to show you how many hard hard core racists there are...


And your point is??????????????

Rick Tyler got 1.9% of the votes in his congressional district election. The winner was Republican Chuck Fleischmann (Incumbent) with 66.39% (over 176,000 votes).

Typical, take a grain of fact and twist it to suit your radical agenda. There are racists, both conservative and liberal - It won't change anytime soon.


The point is 5000 people actually voted for this puke... in one tiny district... get it, not a small amount of people.

multiply that out through right wing states and southern states and so on in percentages that is what if 62 million right wingers voted for trump about 1 million hard core terrorist type right wingers.

Remember there was a Pew poll in a right wing southern state that was it 45% of people who claimed they were right wingers (republican registered voters) believe there should be a LAW that a mixed mariage should be illegal. Again if the question would have been is it just wrong what percentage would it have been? again right wingers wanted people to go to jail for interracial marring.... wholly F....

again this was as the right wing racists claim the David duke or someone like him just pointed out these are the votes that elected trump....

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is false equuvialany 101

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/16/1690215/-The-U-S-Barely-Has-a-Left-Never-Mind-an-alt-Left

The U. S. Barely Has a Left, Never Mind an "alt-Left."


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As anyone who has spent any time in Europe knows, the U.S.A. is an extremely conservative country. We have no real “Left” to speak of. I say this as one who belongs to the Democratic Socialists of America (which is not a Party, I’m still a registered Democrat)! Yes, Jill Stein the anti-vaxxer and Putin lover is stupid and the Green Party does itself no favors by making her their candidate and spokesperson. But she’s a flyspeck, not a force, and most of her other positions would fit comfortably in any European Center or even Center Right Party.

Some here have accused Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) of being “alt-Left.” Bernie may be a self-declared “democratic socialist,” (though, unlike Cornel West and myself, he’s not a DSA member) but most of his positions would fit in any center to center left European party. He’d be considered more a “social democrat” than a “democratic socialist” in most of Europe. Much of the U.K.’s Labor Party is to the left of Bernie.

If you gathered every member of the The Communist Party, USA, the Socialist Party, the DSA, the Green Party, etc., and put them in an average football stadium, it would still be ½ empty.

Further, “alt-Left” implies a commitment to violence and hatred that is similar to the white nationalist/white supremacist commitment to violence and hatred that is the loose network called the “alt-Right.” I see no evidence of this. Some on the Left (such Left as exists in the USA) are not committed to nonviolence, it is true. Apparently the young anarchist, anti-fascist movement that calls itself “Anti-fa,” (I’ll save my curmudgeonly gripes about the decline of the English language for another diary!) is committed to lightly armed self defense, similar to the self-defense stance of Malcolm X or the original Black Panther Political Party. But that is very different from the terroristic violence of these rightwing white nationalist groups.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is one of the right wing leaders specifically saying he will kill those that oppose him and use force

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=436&v=P54sP0Nlngg

and a video of the poor white victim crying he is going to get arrested...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/16/1690416/-From-racist-bully-to-victim-watch-this-Nazi-leader-break-down-in-tears-over-his-imminent-arrest

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