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StillSailin



Joined: 02 May 2001
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Location: Portland/Vancouver

PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:49 pm    Post subject: Does the board help make the jibe Reply with quote

I have started switching the feet before the flip all the time now and it seems to help keep things more consistent. I have been getting more accustomed to sailing clew first.

Thanks
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StillSailin



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:53 pm    Post subject: Does the board help make the jibe Reply with quote

The idea of picturing the sail as a triangle and balancing it sounds good. And seeing guys do that with so little effort gives me the visual of what you have described. Will shoot for those fine results.
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cgoudie1



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greetings Mr. Dog,

I learned to carve through my 1st real planing jibes. I was stepping before
I actually ever planed out of a jibe though. And, here are some other tidbits.
I only sail clew 1st on swells, when I'm thinking about reversing direction again
with no sail flip. My opinion is that if you sail out of a jibe clew 1st, your sail flip
is extremely late, I think you should be flipping when the sail goes neutral,
i.e. depowers, which depends on how tight you've arched your carve, but
somewhere near dead down wind is usually a good choice, the whole
(board turn) should be like 90 degrees, not 180 during the sail flip.
You'll never duck jibe a sail with that late a flip (not that I'm a great ducker).

But, I'm just explaining how things work for me, and anything that gets you
around on a full plane is dandy. For me it works better as I described.

Maybe I'll post some mast cam video, if I think about it.

One last comment, I tend to step jibe my big gear (which I'm usually
riding when I'm trying to eek out planers in marginal conditions). So
typically I'd step jibe from 7.0 to 9.5 sails. Powered up 6.5 on down I
switch feet after.

-Craig



philodog wrote:
Just curious, which did you learn first? It seems people who learn a step jibe first can adapt to a carve jibe but not vice versa so easily.
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cgoudie1



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Location: Killer Sturgeon Cove

PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And here ya go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNvdIRKOYPg

-Craig

cgoudie1 wrote:


Maybe I'll post some mast cam video, if I think about it.


philodog wrote:
Just curious, which did you learn first? It seems people who learn a step jibe first can adapt to a carve jibe but not vice versa so easily.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig, looks like your Open Ocean is working very well for you in the jibes. Also, with the mast positioned camera, you can see a fairly clean trailing effect from the thrusters.
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cgoudie1



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Steve,

The board has worked well for me in the conditions here, and the wideness
seems to have improved the sail carrying characteristics some from
the more regular OO shapes. 5.2 to 3.7 for me.

The mast cam shot exposes all kinds of things about a board and your
technique (both good and bad). It's a very fun angle to watch though.

-Craig

p.s. over the years, I've developed a real liking for appropriately placed
thrusters ;*)

swchandler wrote:
Craig, looks like your Open Ocean is working very well for you in the jibes. Also, with the mast positioned camera, you can see a fairly clean trailing effect from the thrusters.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No doubt, Brian Hinde has the truster thing figured out. Being fast and maneuverable is key, especially in the Gorge. He's got the magic in the formula.
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Mulekick84



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

99% of the people I see missing jibes are holding on to the sail way too long. Try letting go with your backhand and reach down to grab a hand full of water as the board turns. You will not slow down as much and come out planning. Reaching for the water will keep the board turning tight, with speed.

Holding the sail, and especially coming out of the turn clew first, is putting on the emergency brake. Don't do that!
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philodog



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mulekick84 wrote:


Holding the sail, and especially coming out of the turn clew first, is putting on the emergency brake. Don't do that!


The other option is to learn how to sail clew first properly so it doesn`t put on the brakes! I`m not saying coming out clew first is the fastest jibe technique but if one can`t plane downwind clew first they are not doing it correctly. It is an essential technique to learn if one ever wants to surf swell and can often save a jibe from becoming non-planing when the wind is lighter.

As far as touching the water , that will definitely slow the jibe down since the sail is depowered as soon as the back hand lets go. For screaming jibes the sail should remain powered most of the way through the jibe, flipped as quickly and efficiently as possible and powered back up as quickly as possible.
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StillSailin



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:05 pm    Post subject: Does the board help make the jibe Reply with quote

Craig, thanks!
took me a few days and views to get oriented as to what I was looking at. Looks like the old back foot steps quite a bit forward as well as across the board. Pigeon toed? I have done that to a lesser degree and had success and then wondered if this was poor form. I saw your one elbow out and again in the past had caught myself doing that and wondered if I was doing something I should avoid. Anyway thanks much for the video. Your input is helping me put these concepts into perspective.
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