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westender



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks like some pretty sweet wind. Get a good sail to avoid gear issues.
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combs



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just picked up ezzy's new zeta in a 5-0 size and am amazed at how smooth it handles the gusts. Believe Windance has some demo's for sale.
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rtz



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Local guy said no on the wave sail. Said they have no low end in the lulls and are are also on/off type sails when sheeted in/out.

Highly recommended a Sailworks Revo. I have Sails in 5.5, 6.5, 7.5.

Size question on the Revo: 4.5, 4.7, or 5.0?

All summer I thought about a 9.0 or bigger. But Iíd have to get a boom and mast just for that sail. Then I thought would I even use it? If I canít plane if the wind is under 10mph; no. I didnít mind when I was first starting out but now itís like riding in slow motion. Now if a certain board/sale combo would
Plane with sub 10mph Wind Iíd be interested.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you know that Sailworks' Revos are basically their 5 batten wave sail line?

Maybe you should instead think about Sailworks' Retro sails, especially since they have a bit more batten structure with a more sizable foot design. Arguably they are more tunable too to cover a wide range of wind conditions.
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lturkevich



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for a Sailworks Retro v. Revo, I asked Bruce Peterson this very question 2 years ago when wondering whether my next sail down from a Retro 5.5 should be a Retro 5.0 or Revo 4.7 on my 106L board (I have to deal with gusty conditions and nasty chop). His response:

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the Revo 4.7 is not going to feel as locked in, or powerful with acceleration [as the Retro]. The Revo has a much more on/off power band, so when you want to jibe, or ride a swell, its easy to smoothly de-power and then re-power. This really helps when it gets windier and board control starts to become an issue.


So the Retro has a deeper foot for more low-end power and a broader range, whereas the Revo lets you turn the power on/off when you're more concerned about control when conditions get nasty.
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dhmark



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this advice on specific sail models is misguided advice. The OP is a learning sailor with beginner-type sails (Chinook) that are likely powerful sails with limited range. On a gusty windy day we don't know if the conditions would have been difficult for any beginning sailor or if the sail was rigged wrong (too flat, not enough downhaul, wrong mast). All we know is that even in the best situation, the Chinook sails likely have limited range.
For the OP to improve his gear, the small sail MUST be compatible with the mast, bend and length. Beyond that, there are numerous brands/models of sails 5.0 and below that would be a great improvement over what he has, and the OP would be hard-pressed to tell the difference between different 5-batten wave/b & j sails ( would not recommend racing sails or Retro[fragile tube battens]).
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U2U2U2



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhmark wrote:
All this advice on specific sail models is misguided advice. The OP is a learning sailor with beginner-type sails (Chinook) that are likely powerful sails with limited range. On a gusty windy day we don't know if the conditions would have been difficult for any beginning sailor or if the sail was rigged wrong (too flat, not enough downhaul, wrong mast). All we know is that even in the best situation, the Chinook sails likely have limited range.
For the OP to improve his gear, the small sail MUST be compatible with the mast, bend and length. Beyond that, there are numerous brands/models of sails 5.0 and below that would be a great improvement over what he has, and the OP would be hard-pressed to tell the difference between different 5-batten wave/b & j sails ( would not recommend racing sails or Retro[fragile tube battens]).



This is as good / and the best advise that could be presented.
Their is a arguement for 5batten sails, having more range being more tuneable
Handling overpowered .

Their is no reason to consider a sail in particular using the number of battens.

Any number of different brand of sails that will more than meet requirements.

The importance of having the same brand of sail, is not important. Even the same series in different sizes will have their own nature. the important thing is when using the same mast , is its compatible.


2015 Taka 4.5.....3batten
2014 HotSails Maui QU4D 5.2....4batten
2001 Ezzy WaveSE 5.2 ...6 batten*
* Original WaveSE.

All for sale.

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lturkevich



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhmark wrote:
All this advice on specific sail models is misguided advice. The OP is a learning sailor with beginner-type sails (Chinook) that are likely powerful sails with limited range. On a gusty windy day we don't know if the conditions would have been difficult for any beginning sailor or if the sail was rigged wrong (too flat, not enough downhaul, wrong mast). All we know is that even in the best situation, the Chinook sails likely have limited range.
For the OP to improve his gear, the small sail MUST be compatible with the mast, bend and length. Beyond that, there are numerous brands/models of sails 5.0 and below that would be a great improvement over what he has, and the OP would be hard-pressed to tell the difference between different 5-batten wave/b & j sails ( would not recommend racing sails or Retro[fragile tube battens]).


I totally agree that the correct mast and correct rig tuning are essential (especially not enough downhaul).

Minor nit, but I think that a Retro's battens can handle the lake sailing by the OP as he's progressing (my 5.5 has certainly survived years of my abuse); if he's going to tackle large chop on a larger lake, then yes the Revo might be better.
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NOVAAN



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Staying with one brand of sail is important for the very reason you mention. Mast compatibility. Spend the money (once) to get the mast that the sail is designed for. I sail Ezzy's. The whole line of sails, from the 3 batten wave to the 2 cambered free race are designed to work on the rdm Ezzy mast. Different sizes of course. You can even switch tops and bottoms to make the perfect mast for each sail. You can buy a top or bottom separately. This helps reduce costs.
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U2U2U2



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOVAAN wrote:
Staying with one brand of sail is important for the very reason you mention. Mast compatibility. Spend the money (once) to get the mast that the sail is designed for. I sail Ezzy's. The whole line of sails, from the 3 batten wave to the 2 cambered free race are designed to work on the rdm Ezzy mast. Different sizes of course. You can even switch tops and bottoms to make the perfect mast for each sail. You can buy a top or bottom separately. This helps reduce costs.


Of course Ezzy sails are designed for Ezzy masts? OR

You could be reasonably clever to assure the masts you have DO work in other sails, OR have pockets deep enough to have more masts. This being especially useful, if your 6.0 rigs on a constant curve mast, and your 5.5 on a softer top MAST , that way you don't have to entirely re- rig.

i find using the Ezzy, combo masts , which I have 340 370 400 430 and 460, that a section or whole mast is needed to downsize or go bigger. For most plus things a negative exists. In windsurfing a perfect world is on some far away planet.

Most but not all sail companies have changed to constant curve, more all the time, the options then exist for many sails. A option especially used gear is rather nice. Of note the masts that are extreme hard OR soft top, don't apply to either of our thinking.

Please note Ezzy to me is very highly regarded, both sails and original masts, not tried the new lower carbon mast.

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