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vientomas
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| mat-ty wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | Mat-ty, the self professed beacon of knowledge states:
“If you simply ignore news that does not align with your beliefs you will never learn a thing. I find most liberals to be like you, they only read or listen to far left opinions and are clueless about many ongoing investigations, allegations, and scandals. Are they all true? No, but many are.
On the other hand I find conservatives to be far more up to date on current events, scandals and more.
Read this Harvard study, (emphasis added) It shows Fox news is by far the most fair and balanced.”
Clearly Mr. Know-It-All did not read the study...he read an article citing the study.
What the study actually said is:
“Presidents are more than the main focus of U.S. reporters. Presidents are also their main target. Although journalists are accused of having a liberal bias, their real bias is a preference for the negative. News reporting turned sour during the Vietnam and Watergate era and has stayed that way. Journalists’ incentives, everything from getting their stories on the air to acquiring a reputation as a hard-hitting reporter, encourage journalists to focus on what’s wrong with politicians rather than what’s right. Once upon a time, the “honeymoon” period for a newly inaugurated president included favorable press coverage. That era is now decades in the past. Today’s presidents can expect rough treatment at the hands of the press, and Donald Trump is no exception...
Fox was the only news outlet in our study that came close to giving Trump positive coverage overall—the split was 52 percent negative to 48 percent positive. But Fox’s coverage varied widely by topic, ranging from highly negative to highly positive. As was true at the other outlets, Fox’s reporters found few good things to say about the public and judicial response to Trump’s executive orders banning Muslim immigrants or the collapse of the House of Representatives’ first attempt to repeal and replace Obamacare. Fox’s reporting on Trump’s appointees and Russian involvement in the election was also negative in tone.
On the other hand, trade and terrorism were news categories where Fox’s coverage was starkly different from that of the other outlets. Whereas their coverage in these areas tipped strongly in the negative direction, Fox’s coverage tipped strongly positive.
Trump’s suitability for the presidency was also a topic where Fox News was at odds with what the other outlets were reporting. Fox was the only U.S. outlet where news reports that spoke directly to Trump’s fitness for office were positive on balance. The ratio on Fox was 2-to-1 favorable. The other outlets averaged 6-to-1 unfavorable, with the range varying from 24-to-1 unfavorable to 4-to-1 unfavorable.”
Mat-ty claims the study supports his conclusion that Fox News is the most fair and balanced reporting agency. This is not true for all content areas. In addition, Mat-ty’s conclusion is misplaced as the study stated:
“Have the mainstream media covered Trump in a fair and balanced way? That question cannot be answered definitively in the absence of an agreed-upon version of “reality” against which to compare Trump’s coverage. Any such assessment would also have to weigh the news media’s preference for the negative, a tendency in place long before Trump became president. Given that tendency, the fact that Trump has received more negative coverage than his predecessor is hardly surprising. The early days of his presidency have been marked by far more missteps and miss-hits, often self-inflicted, than any presidency in memory, perhaps ever.”
Isn’t ironic that Mat-ty states: “If you simply ignore news that does not align with your beliefs you will never learn a thing”, when he is guilty of committing that very sin when he cherry picks one item from a study to support his position? Once again, Mat-ty demonstrates that the subtleties and the nuances of the circumstances are well beyond his comprehensive abilities. I suspect now Mat-ty will respond with some school yard name calling worthy of his cognitive abilities. Perhaps he will surprise me with a reasoned rebuttal after actually reading the study. I’m not holding my breath.
https://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-donald-trumps-first-100-days/ |
Look no further than yesterday news cycle to see the lies the left is willing to push on clowns like you.
Denying the media has been historically unfair to Trump would make you as ignorant as Swchandler or just a flat out asshole.
And please spare me the school yard talk non-sense, you are one of the biggest name callers on here, second only to drooling Mac. |
I disagree with everything you said, but will you agree with me to not use any name calling in future posts? |
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MalibuGuru
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She did forge at least a portion of the document and REPRESENTED IT AS ALL ORIGINAL, with her attorney Gloria Allred in tow. |
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mac
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| Quote: | Denying the media has been historically unfair to Trump would make you as ignorant as Swchandler or just a flat out asshole.
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You actually missed the point, given to you gently by vientomas. The media sell advertisement, and controversy increases the number who read or watch--and increase advertising revenues. So they gravitate towards controversy, and Trump stokes them. In the diseased minds of those who think he is qualified to be President, any reporting of his lies--a little more than one a day--is bound to be seen as unfair. If you are sick enough to ignore the lies, and the bragging about sexual harassment, it is an easy jump to believe his nonsense attacking the press and diminishing democracy.
A free press is a cornerstone of democracy. And in any administration, the press is going to be critical of those in power, particularly if they are engaged in lies, insulting our allies and much of the populace, and supporting the alt-right. Those are all controversial, and there are plenty of people who will be happy to appear on TV and say how bad they are. As long as Trump is throwing dynamite, those who survive the blasts will appear on TV.
Thinking that Fox is fair and balanced is sheet lunacy. Virtually all of the press is owned by very rich men or families. Most of them do not dictate editorial policy. Murdoch is an exception. He has bought media to support his political biase, and he instructs that certain things, global warming for one, be covered in a certain way. At one point, he had almost all of the Republican presidential candidates on salary and working as talking heads. To think that Fox is anything but a mouthpiece for a certain part of the Republican Party is lunacy.
This used to be impossible, laws used to require fair coverage. Republicans eliminated those laws, and outfits like Fox and Breitbart--and disgusting hypocrites like Ann Coulter--discovered a business model based on outrage. So they stoke your outrage, and you call anyone that doesn't agree with extreme right wing policies--that make Coulter, Murdoch, Trump and his cabinet even richer--names. Congratulations, you are exhibit 1 in the death of critical thinking and democracy in America. |
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vientomas
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| MalibuGuru wrote: |
She did forge at least a portion of the document and REPRESENTED IT AS ALL ORIGINAL, with her attorney Gloria Allred in tow. |
Wrong. You can't forge your own writing. Please identify which portion was forged. |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | BB said:
| Quote: | Denying the media has been historically unfair to Trump would make you as ignorant as Swchandler or just a flat out asshole.
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You actually missed the point, given to you gently by vientomas. The media sell advertisement, and controversy increases the number who read or watch--and increase advertising revenues. So they gravitate towards controversy, and Trump stokes them. In the diseased minds of those who think he is qualified to be President, any reporting of his lies--a little more than one a day--is bound to be seen as unfair. If you are sick enough to ignore the lies, and the bragging about sexual harassment, it is an easy jump to believe his nonsense attacking the press and diminishing democracy.
A free press is a cornerstone of democracy. And in any administration, the press is going to be critical of those in power, particularly if they are engaged in lies, insulting our allies and much of the populace, and supporting the alt-right. Those are all controversial, and there are plenty of people who will be happy to appear on TV and say how bad they are. As long as Trump is throwing dynamite, those who survive the blasts will appear on TV.
Thinking that Fox is fair and balanced is sheet lunacy. Virtually all of the press is owned by very rich men or families. Most of them do not dictate editorial policy. Murdoch is an exception. He has bought media to support his political biase, and he instructs that certain things, global warming for one, be covered in a certain way. At one point, he had almost all of the Republican presidential candidates on salary and working as talking heads. To think that Fox is anything but a mouthpiece for a certain part of the Republican Party is lunacy.
This used to be impossible, laws used to require fair coverage. Republicans eliminated those laws, and outfits like Fox and Breitbart--and disgusting hypocrites like Ann Coulter--discovered a business model based on outrage. So they stoke your outrage, and you call anyone that doesn't agree with extreme right wing policies--that make Coulter, Murdoch, Trump and his cabinet even richer--names. Congratulations, you are exhibit 1 in the death of critical thinking and democracy in America. |
Mac please you are embarrassing yourself. Trump deserve plenty of criticism, but to say its fair or par for the course is flat out bullshit.
CNN lies through their teeth on a daily basis . Morning joe and his halfwit girlfriend are nothing short of pathetic. Brian Ross cost the markets 350 points last week with his bogus report. |
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MalibuGuru
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| vientomas wrote: | | MalibuGuru wrote: |
She did forge at least a portion of the document and REPRESENTED IT AS ALL ORIGINAL, with her attorney Gloria Allred in tow. |
Wrong. You can't forge your own writing. Please identify which portion was forged. |
She has admitted that she lied about "writing" part of the document, and claiming Judge Moore wrote it. That is forgery. Her own son says she's lying. |
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real-human
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| MalibuGuru wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | | MalibuGuru wrote: |
She did forge at least a portion of the document and REPRESENTED IT AS ALL ORIGINAL, with her attorney Gloria Allred in tow. |
Wrong. You can't forge your own writing. Please identify which portion was forged. |
She has admitted that she lied about "writing" part of the document, and claiming Judge Moore wrote it. That is forgery. Her own son says she's lying. |
love your doctrine of lying about part.... Thus because Trumps all admitted via documents that have come out they lied about working with wikileaks and/or russians they are guilty of treason...
remember in just one of his court cases where he was deposed Trump was found to have lied some 20-30 times. I believe that by definition is right wing family values. IE a compulsive serial liar. again right wing presidential values.
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vientomas
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| MalibuGuru wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | | MalibuGuru wrote: |
She did forge at least a portion of the document and REPRESENTED IT AS ALL ORIGINAL, with her attorney Gloria Allred in tow. |
Wrong. You can't forge your own writing. Please identify which portion was forged. |
She has admitted that she lied about "writing" part of the document, and claiming Judge Moore wrote it. That is forgery. Her own son says she's lying. |
You still did not identify which portion was "forged".
The portion including the signature and everything above it she claims Moore wrote and she has not admitted to writing any of that. Therefore, for now at least, those portions are not admitted to as being forged.
The notes below the signature she has admitted she wrote. That is not forgery. She did fabricate her orignal story relative to the handwritten notes. Even your bastion of news understands the distiction. You apparently do not.
"An update to this story reflects that Beverly Young Nelson admits writing what ABC News characterized as “notes” beneath what she says is Roy Moore’s signature, and that the only notes below the signature are the date and location. Furthermore, the headline on story now specifies that Nelson admits to writing part of the inscription herself, rather than forging part of it."
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-news-corrects-story-claiming-roy-moore-accuser-forged-candidates-signature_us_5a2c1d58e4b0a290f051304f
This is perfect example of why some people think news is fake. The first reason is poor reporting. The second reason is lack of reading comprehension and vocabulary. Words have the meaning they are ascribed, not the meaning the reader wants them to have. |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| vientomas wrote: | | MalibuGuru wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | | MalibuGuru wrote: |
She did forge at least a portion of the document and REPRESENTED IT AS ALL ORIGINAL, with her attorney Gloria Allred in tow. |
Wrong. You can't forge your own writing. Please identify which portion was forged. |
She has admitted that she lied about "writing" part of the document, and claiming Judge Moore wrote it. That is forgery. Her own son says she's lying. |
You still did not identify which portion was "forged".
The portion including the signature and everything above it she claims Moore wrote and she has not admitted to writing any of that. Therefore, for now at least, those portions are not admitted to as being forged.
The notes below the signature she has admitted she wrote. That is not forgery. She did fabricate her orignal story relative to the handwritten notes. Even your bastion of news understands the distiction. You apparently do not.
"An update to this story reflects that Beverly Young Nelson admits writing what ABC News characterized as “notes” beneath what she says is Roy Moore’s signature, and that the only notes below the signature are the date and location. Furthermore, the headline on story now specifies that Nelson admits to writing part of the inscription herself, rather than forging part of it."
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-news-corrects-story-claiming-roy-moore-accuser-forged-candidates-signature_us_5a2c1d58e4b0a290f051304f
This is perfect example of why some people think news is fake. The first reason is poor reporting. The second reason is lack of reading comprehension and vocabulary. Words have the meaning they are ascribed, not the meaning the reader wants them to have. |
I have a real problem with FORTY YEAR OLD allegations. Ridiculous!!! |
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