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jpbassman



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:11 am    Post subject: Liberal Hypocrisy Reply with quote

Yet another example of liberal hypocrisy. Al Franken is a sexist misogynist! OH NO!!! Break out your pink hats boys! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: Liberal Hypocrisy Reply with quote

jpbassman wrote:
Yet another example of liberal hypocrisy. Al Franken is a sexist misogynist! OH NO!!! Break out your pink hats boys! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


Soooo...you're saying no conservative has ever displayed hypocrisy? Let's be real...liberals and conservatives are humans and are not perfect. Trying to raise your group above another based on human behavior is just silly. All humans, no matter what group they identify with, have the capacity to do stupid things.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: Liberal Hypocrisy Reply with quote

jpbassman wrote:
Yet another example of liberal hypocrisy. Al Franken is a sexist misogynist! OH NO!!! Break out your pink hats boys! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

But not Roy Moore, huh JP? Mr. Family Values/Good Christian taking 14 yo girls home...No hypocrisy here...as its been stated , liberals usually don't take the moral high ground like all the good Christians in the Rethug party....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or "grab em by the pussy" man. "You can do anything to them" man. "Just come up and start kissing them" man. No hypocrisy there as he calls out Frankin. Really Jp you come back to life with that?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the point is that women have been abused, and they are rising up. I think they can tell whether Franken or Roy Moore is a bigger problem. Look at how they voted in Virginia, and look at what Republican women are telling focus groups about Trump in North Carolina.

In case you haven't noticed, there is a very significant difference between a tasteless and clueless joke about grabbing a co-hosts breasts, and grooming teenagers for sex with older men. I guess it went right over your head.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JP

First of all, I believe that Franken's behavior is inappropriate and he should resign...but, only if Trump does for the same thing.

Second. So much glee from the GOP on this. It is not hypocrisy for any of us to be completely outraged and disgusted by Roy Moore's behavior. I just cannot understand how anyone can even think the behavior is comparable. I find trying to distract from this behavior by Malibu, NW or yourself pretty despicable actually.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gropenager... the media is missing the issue with arnold, he had what 7 or so who came forward and won as a republican in California, he called it something like a bit of fun or playing as he was groping females on the set.

Where was the right wing outrage on that?

Ya now we know rnold had knocked up the maid while Maria was pregnant.

Remember it was Strom Thurmond that was the leader in child rape and was elected for 50 or so years. He an adult raped the child-housekeeper that was black,

Till the day he died he never allowed his black offspring or his black grand kids to be seen with him in public or for her to say in public that is my father the longest serving right wing fmily vales senator.

He was burried as a repbilcan hero.

He was a child rapist... That is right wing values... now you can see why the right wing love Roy.


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(CNN) -- An attorney for the family of former U.S. Sen. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina confirmed Monday that in 1925, when he was 22, Thurmond fathered a child with a black teenage housekeeper.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's expected that this behavior will be politicized, but the reality is that dirty old men in power has nothing to do with politics. Politicians, business moguls, celebrities, etc. are in a position to take advantage of the naïve, young, and fearful. It happens and will always happen, and those caught should pay the price. Some, because of power/$/position can find ways to "beat the rap", or
"sweep it under the carpet" which unfortunately happens too often.

Nothing new here, except that more women/men that were taken advantage of are now coming out of the woods in greater numbers than ever before. This is a good thing because at the time of an incident, there's a greater chance that those that are abused may be more willing to confront the culprit and hopefully, deter those that are tempted to abuse someone else.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In broader context.
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Why Kirsten Gillibrand's bold statement that Bill Clinton should've resigned is a big deal
11-17-17

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand on Thursday went to a place that few Democrats have dared or cared to go when it comes to allegations of sexual assault: Calling out Bill Clinton.
From the New York Times:

Asked directly if she believed Mr. Clinton should have stepped down (when he faced his own allegations as president), Ms. Gillibrand took a long pause and said, “Yes, I think that is the appropriate response.”

That long pause suggests this was not something that the senator from New York said lightly, nor that she necessarily planned on saying. Yet here we are.

It's difficult to overstate the potential significance of Gillibrand's response to the question about the former president. While the comments might have been somewhat buried in a day of multiple huge news stories — sexual assault allegations against Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.), the Roy Moore saga, Robert Menendez's mistrial and the passage of the House GOP tax bill — it could reverberate for years for Gillibrand and possibly for longer for the Clintons.

In one respect, it's not so surprising that Gillibrand would go there on Bill Clinton. She's been perhaps the Senate's most vocal member on sexual assault. But in another respect, it's a highly unexpected and fraught move.
Gillibrand just so happens to come from the state where Hillary Clinton served in the Senate, and she was appointed to Clinton's old seat before winning it in her own right. She is also thought to have aspirations of running for president in 2020. This stance would seem to have the dual effect of distinguishing her on a very important issue in that race, but also of potentially alienating the many well-heeled and influential supporters and donors she has in common with the Clintons.

At least one former top Hillary Clinton aide sent a warning shot Gillibrand's way on Thursday night. Philippe Reines's tweet downplayed the allegations against Bill Clinton and suggested that Gillibrand was a hypocritical ingrate. He also ominously pointed to the 2020 presidential race — a not-so-veiled warning that Gillibrand just alienated the wrong people.
“Over 20 yrs you took the Clintons' endorsements, money, and seat. Hypocrite,” he wrote. “Interesting strategy for 2020 primaries. Best of luck.”

Which brings us to what this means for Bill Clinton. Reines is not exactly known for understating things, but his guns-a-blazing response to Gillibrand's comments is in one way completely understandable. Here we have a leading potential 2020 contender raising the issue of whether a popular former president should have resigned in the face of sexual misconduct allegations.

That may seem like some revisionist history — a trivial bit of 20/20 hindsight on Gillibrand's part — but it has massive implications for the Clintons' legacy.
Suddenly, other Democrats will be asked if they agree with Gillibrand's comments that the former president should have resigned. If those Democrats are 2020 hopefuls, they'll be wary of letting Gillibrand keep the spotlight on this issue. If they're Democrats more broadly, they'll be conscious of looking like they're giving Bill Clinton a pass on the allegations against him even as they say that accusers should be believed.
At this particular moment in time, giving life to a debate over Clinton's alleged sexual misconduct alongside all the others could lead just about anywhere.

If a reasonably large number of Democrats decide to rewrite their view of Clinton's legacy as one that should have ended in disgrace, that turns Clinton from a statesman into something closer to what many Republicans have long alleged.

It may never come to that, especially if other Democrats don't join in Gillibrand's statements about Clinton. But in one fell swoop, she put that debate squarely on the table. And you can bet the Clintons are apoplectic about that right now — especially considering the source.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/ar-BBF5SxM?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

two ultra-partisan independent counsels and not one grand jury indictment.

I was not against the first independent counsel. but was on the second, and no if ultra partisan right wingers with unlimited resources cannot get a grand jury indictment, well he should not be resigning.

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