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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is asking people to commit crimes, isn't that illegal.

and telling others who do crimes for him he will pardon them for criminal activities.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-pardon-law-breaking-aides-washington-post_n_5d65eabce4b063c341f76ced?ncid=newsltushpmgnewsPolitics%20082819%20ron

Trump Offers Pardons To Aides Who Will Fast-Track Wall Before Election Day: Report
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President Donald Trump reportedly told officials in his administration that he would pardon them if they had to break any laws to get hundreds of miles of his border wall built before the next presidential election, according to a report Tuesday night in The Washington Post.
“Don’t worry, I’ll pardon you,” the president has allegedly told aides worried about his instructions to seize private land through eminent domain, flout environmental rules or push through billion-dollar contracts.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaenUOMcQUs


Hayes: Directing Someone Explicitly To Break The Law Is An Impeachable Offense

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if he is asking people to break laws because he can give them a get out of jail free, well put him for jail.

https://news.yahoo.com/house-panel-subpoenas-dhs-chief-210046982.html

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House panel subpoenas DHS over alleged Trump pardon offers
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Democratic-led U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee on Wednesday subpoenaed the Department of Homeland Security for documents that could shed light on President Donald Trump's alleged offer of pardons to officials implementing U.S. immigration policy.

The committee, which is considering whether to recommend impeachment against Trump, cited press reports that the president offered pardons to officials should they face legal action for following his instructions to close a section of the U.S.-Mexico border, aggressively seize private property and disregard environmental rules in erecting a border fence.

"The dangling of pardons by the president to encourage government officials to violate federal law would constitute another reported example of the president's disregard for the rule of law," House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrod Nadler said in a statement.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as I said we need to remove the pardon power from a president to people he personally knows, especially if it is for a crime committed for the person or the president was involved or benefited in any way.

Dems should run on this platform. it is a get the vote out amendment.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahmimms/roger-stone-trump-guilty-wikileaks-lying-congress


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Following his conviction, Trump tweeted that while the jury found Stone lied to Congress, a long list of Democrats and the president's perceived enemies — including greatest hits like Hillary Clinton, former special counsel Robert Mueller, and former FBI agent Peter Strzok — also lied. "A double standard like never seen before in the history of our Country?" he tweeted.

InfoWars host Alex Jones said Thursday that Stone had appealed to him to ask Trump to pardon him. "I appeal to the president to pardon me because to do so would be an action that would show these corrupt courts that they're not going to get away with persecuting people for their free speech or for the crime of getting the president elected," Jones recounted Stone saying.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i called it so long ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wg3i34TfGg.


Roger Stone To Receive Sentencing Tomorrow | Deadline | MSNBC

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 million dollar payoff for a pardon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roGPWFUCz0c

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/27/trump-pardon-roger-stone-constitution-117757.



.Why President Trump Can’t Pardon Roger Stone


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By COREY BRETTSCHNEIDER

02/27/2020 04:30 AM EST

Corey Brettschneider is professor of political science at Brown University and visiting professor of law at Fordham Law School. He is the author of The Oath and the Office: A Guide To the Constitution For Future Presidents.

Speculation that President Donald Trump might pardon Roger Stone has reached a fever pitch after Stone’s sentencing by a federal judge and the president’s repeated hints that he thinks the verdict unfair. But fortunately, the Constitution’s framers imagined this nightmare scenario—a suspected criminal president pardoning a co-conspirator—and they put in the Constitution language to legally prohibit the pardon power in exactly this kind of case.

Both the plain meaning of the Constitution’s text and the historical evidence show that once a president has been impeached, he or she loses the power to pardon anyone for criminal offenses connected to the articles of impeachment — and that even after the Senate’s failure to convict the president, he or she does not regain this power.

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Under Article II, Section II of the Constitution, the president is given the “power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.” Pardons are supposed to be used as acts of mercy. The framers thought of the pardon power as a “benign prerogative”—prerogative because it was mostly unchecked by courts or Congress, but benign because presidents would use it for the public good.


But the framers knew not to place blind trust in the president to wield the power justly. That’s why they explicitly forbade a president from exercising the pardon power in “cases of impeachment.” The clause prevents the worst abuse of the pardon power: a president’s protecting cronies who have been convicted of crimes related to the president’s own wrongdoing.

This danger of a president using the pardon power to excuse his or her own crimes was discussed by George Mason at the 1788 Virginia ratifying convention, where delegates debated whether to adopt the document that had been drafted in Philadelphia. Mason thought the danger of the pardon was so great that it was among the reasons he argued the Constitution should not be ratified, and why he refused to sign the document. “The President ought not to have the power of pardoning, because he may frequently pardon crimes which were advised by himself. It may happen, at some future day, that he will establish a monarchy, and destroy the republic. If he has the power of granting pardons before indictment, or conviction, may he not stop inquiry and prevent detection?”

Defenders of the Constitution knew they needed a robust response to the danger of a president’s abusing the pardon to protect co-conspirators. James Madison, a primary author of the Constitution, argued in reply to Mason that such pardons were barred by the Constitution as already written. He pointed to the protection already in the Constitution: No president could pardon co-conspirators. “If the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds to believe he will shelter himself; the House of Representatives can impeach him,” Madison responded to Mason. “[T]hey can remove him if found guilty; they can suspend him when suspected, and the power will devolve on the vice-president.”

Here Madison provides evidence that the intent of the framers was to limit the pardon power from being extended to a president who wanted to use it to pardon co-conspirators. His remarks are a guide to how we should interpret the limit explicitly written into the Constitution when it comes to cases of impeachment: It strips a president of the power to use a pardon to “shelter” anyone “connected in any suspicious manner” way with the president’s alleged high crimes and misdemeanors.

The limit on pardons for co-conspirators wouldn’t affect many of the president’s pardons. Pardoning convicted criminals like former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich might be ill-advised, but it is still permitted. By contrast, pardoning longtime adviser Roger Stone would not be permitted, as his crimes relate directly to the impeachment case.

Stone was convicted on seven criminal counts centered around allegations that he had lied to Congress during his September 2017 testimony to the House Intelligence Committee as part of the Mueller investigation. The investigation of Stone relates to the charges that the president abused power by soliciting foreign intervention into our election and that he obstructed justice in trying to hide that “high crime and misdemeanor.” The best evidence that Stone is tied to those charges is his own self-described role as a protector of the president. “I will never roll on [Trump],” Stone declared in one of many statements. That makes him exactly the type of person Madison had envisioned while limiting the president’s pardon power.


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It is true that the Stone investigation concerned Russian involvement in the election and that the House charges focused on the more recent Ukraine accusation. But the articles of impeachment focused on the accusation of “abuse of power,” and it is that general high crime at play in Ukraine and elsewhere that links the impeachment and Stone.

Inevitably, some will argue that an impeached president should regain the power to grant clemency to his alleged co-conspirators in cases of acquittal by the Senate. That ignores not only the framers’ clear intent, but also the plain text of the Constitution.

The framers deliberately used the phrase “cases of impeachment,” not “conviction.” One reason why is simple: A president convicted by the Senate would be removed from office, and thus unable to pardon anyone. As such, there would be no reason for the Constitution to curb a convicted president’s pardon power. No exception to the pardon power needs to be granted, because no such power exists.

Moreover, the framers provided no explicit avenue for him to regain the power they took away after a House impeachment vote. Time limits are common in the Constitution—think of the president’s four-year term—and the absence of one connected to the pardon power suggests that the power is not in fact lost for a limited duration. In the absence of an explicit reinstatement of pardon power in the text, the strong presumption has to be that it is still lost.

Nothing in the framers’ comments or the text itself speaks of the Senate vote to not convict as restoring the pardon power. The Senate trial is not subject to the rules of criminal law; presidents are not accused criminals who get all of their rights back upon a not guilty verdict. Moreover, the decision to impeach is left to the House “alone,” according to the Constitution’s text. Generally, the Senate and House have distinct powers in matters like taxation and ratifying treaties. The powers of each body in impeachment are also distinct. The percentage of votes required for impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate are distinct. So are the penalties. Only the House can decide whether to impeach the president, and only the Senate can decide upon removal and disqualification from office.

The argument for a constitutional limit on the power to pardon co-conspirators is strengthened by the widely acknowledged implicit limit on “self-pardons.” The Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel, prompted by the possibility that President Richard Nixon would try to grant clemency to himself for his role in Watergate, argued that a president could not pardon himself. According to that office, no person should be a “judge in his own case”; therefore, no president could self-pardon. Although not technically a self-pardon, pardons for co-conspirators are similarly aimed at self-protection, so should also be barred.

The dangers of Trump’s pardoning someone “connected” to his own alleged high crimes in a “suspicious manner” have not abated after the Senate vote. They have, if anything, been amplified because he appears to have interpreted the failure of the Senate to convict him as evidence that he is unchecked in his power. Both constitutional law and common sense suggest that he loses the pardon power forever in cases related to the impeachment. But the Constitution requires people to enforce it. If the president attempts to pardon Stone, his own lawyers and those in the Department of Justice should inform him that such a pardon would exceed his powers as president, just as Nixon’s Office of Legal Counsel told Nixon he could not self-pardon.

Congress should act, too. If it reopens impeachment inquiries into the obstruction of justice outlined in Part Two of the Mueller report, that would only strengthen the case for a limited pardon power in regard to Stone, because the subject of his conviction would be an ongoing “case of impeachment.” More aggressively, it could open a new impeachment inquiry into Trump’s relationship with possible co-conspirators like Stone, which would also have the effect of limiting his possible pardon.

If Trump’s lawyers and advisers fail to stop him, and the president moves ahead with a pardon for Stone, it is incumbent upon any judge asked to enforce that pardon to deny it on constitutional grounds. The Supreme Court has never ruled on the meaning of the impeachment exception to the pardon power because such a pardon of a co-conspirator by a president who has been impeached is unprecedented. But the need to stop it is dire. Otherwise, the original purpose of the pardon power—to show mercy to others—will be turned on its head. Instead, the pardon power will be converted into a self-serving tool of an aspiring despot, precisely the danger Mason warned against.



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they should have been reading my posts from a long time ago and this would have been brought out before.

https://news.yahoo.com/house-democrats-attempt-check-trumps-041700422.html


House Democrats to attempt to check Trump's pardon power


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WASHINGTON (AP) — House Democrats will try to rein in President Donald Trump’s clemency powers on Thursday as they advance legislation that would discourage pardons for friends and family and prevent presidents from pardoning themselves.

While the bills are unlikely to pass the GOP-led Senate, Democrats say a response is necessary after Trump used his clemency power to come to the aid of allies he believes have been mistreated by the justice system, including longtime confidant Roger Stone. Trump this month commuted Stone's prison sentence for crimes related to the Russia investigation.

The move to shield Stone from prison was a dramatic example of Trump's willingness to exert presidential power over criminal cases, including ones prosecuted by his own Justice Department. Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called the clemency for Stone an "act of staggering corruption,” while Republicans mostly shrugged off the move or criticized the Russia investigation.

The House Judiciary Committee will vote on two bills and an amendment that would try to dissuade Trump or any future presidents from abusing their pardon powers. One of the measures, by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., would clarify that promising or providing a pardon in return for a “thing of value” violates bribery laws. It would also require that Congress receive all of the case evidence when a president pardons or commutes in cases involving himself or his family, or those that involve lying to Congress.

“The President has the constitutional authority to confer pardons and commutations, but that power is not unlimited, and was provided to remedy injustices, not to cover up for a president or shield him from potential criminal liability," Schiff said.

Maryland Rep. Jamie Ras

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

was trumps I wish her well his code to her that he will pardon her if she keeps her mouth shut. Listen to this, he says he wishes her well two times. He knows how disguising she is with Epstein and obviously himself. Unheard of for a person involved with hundreds of pedophile cases, wish them well. f u right wing pedophile lovers.

https://news.yahoo.com/judge-wont-silence-anyone-epstein-150915762.html

Judge won't silence anyone in Epstein-related prosecution


this one he seems to have inside info about epstein island... before he anounced he was running for president.

https://news.yahoo.com/ask-prince-andrew-trump-gives-175339573.html


'Ask Prince Andrew': Trump gives cryptic answer about Epstein island in newly resurfaced interview


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