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swchandler



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 4:59 pm    Post subject: illegal immigration Reply with quote

With Republicans controlling the presidency and both houses of congress, why isn't E-Verify mandated by law at the federal level? The whole situation reeks of a deep-seated hypocrisy coming from the right, especially with all the hate and ugly disdain for Hispanic illegal immigrants, and all the rabid BS about building a wall. Where is Donald Trump's leadership on this?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-is-very-weak-on-this-one-popular-way-to-curb-illegal-immigration/2018/05/22/adf5f85e-399b-11e8-acd5-35eac230e514_story.html?utm_term=.e2589cbc2ae2
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hate? So many Republicans what them legalized. Even Trump. I don't think that the Democrats want a deal. Just posturing for the voters.
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mat-ty



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Hate? So many Republicans what them legalized. Even Trump. I don't think that the Democrats want a deal. Just posturing for the voters.


They had a deal handed to them on a silver platter, and passed because they are FOS.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"So many Republicans what them legalized. Even Trump. I don't think that the Democrats want a deal. Just posturing for the voters."


Hey guys, it's about getting the job done.

It's laughable, do you remember some years ago when John Boehner promised that he could pull off passing an immigration bill by the end of that year. Ironically, the Senate Republicans did, and they found agreement with Democrats too, but Boehner couldn't bring his Tea party Republicans together and realize immigration reform. Today, nothing has changed in the big picture.

Bard, I don't believe that you understand what's actually going on. Why don't you start by showing some smarts and comment on the article. If you disagree, why not offer something credible?

With full control of everything, why can't Trump and Republicans in Congress pull off the perfect solution?
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MS-13 Gang Member Nicknamed ‘Animal’ Sentenced for Stabbing Boy to Death

He's too busy getting rid of all the animals Obama let in.
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wsurfer



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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
MS-13 Gang Member Nicknamed ‘Animal’ Sentenced for Stabbing Boy to Death

He's too busy getting rid of all the animals Obama let in.


NOT from Malibu, NOT a Guru!
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techno900



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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler said:
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Why don't you start by showing some smarts and comment on the article.

I can't read it unless I subscribe, so says the screen that pops up.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
MS-13 Gang Member Nicknamed ‘Animal’ Sentenced for Stabbing Boy to Death

He's too busy getting rid of all the animals Obama let in.


you low life life-long liar. IE a trump guy, you support pussy grabbing too?!


Obama changed the way they went after and who was deported, he prioritized criminals. In fact he deported more criminals than any president ever had... hahahaha you low life idiot.

Malibu barfie, when you talk puke spews out.

BTW when convicted they stay in US jails you moron....

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swchandler



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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry techno900. Here you go. Just for the record, the Washington Post writer was Tracy Jan.


"In President Trump’s many vocal pronouncements about stopping illegal immigration, one solution he promoted during the campaign has been conspicuously missing — a requirement that employers check whether workers are legal.

Eight states require nearly all employers to use the federal government’s online E-Verify tool for new hires, but efforts to expand the mandate to all states have stalled, despite polls showing widespread support and studies showing that it reduces unauthorized workers.

The campaign for a national mandate has withered amid what appears to be a more pressing problem — a historic labor shortage that has businesses across the country desperate for workers at restaurants, on farms and in other low-wage jobs.

The urgency around that shortage was clear at a congressional hearing last week when senators pressed Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen on additional visas for seasonal foreign workers.

“There’s not one manufacturing plant in Wisconsin, not one dairy farm, not one resort that can hire enough people,” said Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

With the unemployment rate at a 17-year low and the Trump administration cracking down on foreign workers, lawmakers are reluctant to champion a measure that could exacerbate the labor shortage and hurt business constituents — even one that is popular among a broad swath of Americans.

House Republicans are forging ahead with a debate over the future of young undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, but the fate of an E-Verify provision remains in limbo.

Despite his administration’s “Hire American” stance, Trump and the GOP leadership have gone quiet on mandating E-Verify, draining momentum from a top policy goal of grass-roots Republicans.

“The president has been very weak on this subject,” said Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, an organization that has campaigned for a national E-Verify mandate since 1996 in its quest for reduced immigration. “Even though he’s not pushing hard for it and even though the Republican leadership has been really sluggish on this, the Republican Party as a whole is overwhelmingly for this.”


“Allowing businesses to employ people illegally is like the government leaving the keys in an unlocked car,” Beck said. “You’re going to get a lot of stolen cars.”

E-Verify has proved effective at keeping immigrants who are in the country illegally from taking American jobs. In Arizona, which pioneered the mandatory checks in 2008, the number of unauthorized workers dropped 33 percent below what was projected without the requirement, according to a 2017 analysis by the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.

The federal employment verification system, introduced more than 20 years ago, has wide public support. Nearly 80 percent of those surveyed last fall by The Washington Post and ABC News support requiring employers to verify new hires are legally living in the United States — more than double the support for building a wall along the Mexico border.


Steve Carb, president of SERG Restaurant Group, at the Skull Creek Dockside restaurant. He is struggling to staff his 12 restaurants. (Stephen B. Morton for The Washington Post)
Trump touted a national E-Verify mandate while running for president.

“We will ensure that E-Verify is used to the fullest extent possible under existing law, and we will work with Congress to strengthen and expand its use across the country,” he declared in a 2016 speech in Arizona.


Trump in October listed E-Verify among his immigration priorities and in February requested $23 million in his 2019 budget proposal to expand the program for mandatory nationwide use. He uses E-Verify at his golf club in North Carolina, where the worker checks are required by state law, as well as at other entities in Chicago, Miami and New York, according to an E-Verify database of participating employers.

But it is unclear whether E-Verify checks are performed across Trump’s entire domestic portfolio of hotels and golf clubs. Trump Organization and White House officials have not responded to Post inquiries.

And Trump has yet to use the platform of the presidency to rally support for a national requirement, opting instead to push for a wall, further militarization of the border and stepped-up deportations.

The labor shortage in industries that most depend upon undocumented workers — such as agriculture, construction and hospitality — is driving up wages and deterring state authorities from rigorous enforcement of state E-Verify laws, factors that analysts say complicate any national campaign.


There is just one unemployed person for every job opening in the country, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data, the lowest rate since the government began tracking this information in 2000.

“If you cut off the labor supply like these laws do, you are going to see employers get desperate when it becomes a lot more difficult to hire, and if businesses are following the law, they have to raise wages,” said Pia Orrenius, senior economist at the Dallas Fed who found that states with universal E-Verify requirements typically saw substantial reductions in the number of unauthorized workers.

Orrenius’s research has shown that E-Verify mandates resulted in increased wages for low-skilled workers born in the United States or otherwise naturalized. In the states that have mandated near-universal E-Verify, the average hourly wages of unauthorized Mexican men fell nearly 8 percent after the requirement went into effect, while wages for U.S.-born and naturalized Hispanic men rose between 7 and 9 percent.

In South Carolina, restaurateur Steve Carb, whose company is the largest employer on the resort island of Hilton Head, is struggling to staff his 12 restaurants — and having to shut down entire dining sections several days a week.

His dining establishments, from pizzerias to 450-seat waterfront seafood restaurants, now employ about 900 people but need 1,000 to function optimally, he said.

He has had to raise wages to attract and keep workers.

Dishwashers earn $13 an hour instead of the $10 they earned a couple of years ago. Line cooks are paid $15 to $18 an hour, instead of $13 to $15. Additional overtime costs mean tweaking the menu to stay profitable, from switching to smaller shrimp to raising the price of a plate of fish and chips by 30 cents.

“The whole island is a disaster zone right now,” said Carb, president and founder of SERG Restaurant Group. “It’s been a nightmare.”

Meanwhile, Carb noted, “there are people who are willing to work and pay taxes, but they can’t get jobs because we can’t legally hire them.”

Other restaurants will, though, he said.


Gustavo Salines carries a tray of food past a closed-off section at Skull Creek Dockside. The restaurant owner said it lacks the staffing to use the space for customers. (Stephen B. Morton for The Washington Post)
Even with the threat of fines or losing their business licenses, some employers in mandatory E-Verify states are not complying with the program, with states shying away from enforcement actions for fear of alienating business owners.

Only 55 percent of new hires in South Carolina were screened through E-Verify in the second quarter of 2017, according to an analysis by the Cato Institute. In Arizona, 59 percent of new hires were checked against federal records during that period, according to Cato.

“There’s no enforcement,” said Bruce L. Dusenberry, who was president and chief executive of Horizon Moving Systems before he sold it in 2013 to focus on commercial industrial real estate in Arizona.

“If employers were required to follow the law just like they scream about immigrants following the law, it would reduce the demand,” said Dusenberry, who supports a national E-Verify mandate. “We wouldn’t need the military going down to the border.”

Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration policy analyst at Cato, said states have been reluctant to crack down hard because legislators know that businesses will suffer. His analyses have shown that compliance rates in South Carolina fall when the unemployment rate falls.

“The penalties aren’t used very often, because who wants to shut down a bunch of small businesses?” Nowrasteh said. “If you enforce immigration laws too much, you could do serious damage to the local economy and hurt a lot of small businesses that have a lot of political power.”

In South Carolina, 2 percent of employers were audited for E-Verify use in 2017, according to state data. Of those businesses, 17 percent were cited for violating the law, but none had their licenses suspended.

Congressional Republican supporters of Trump’s “America First” ideology also face political pressures.

Conservative lawmakers who represent rural farming districts, as well as Democrats, have said they will support a national E-Verify mandate only if it comes with the guarantee of a robust agricultural guest-worker program and protection for existing workers who are in the country illegally.

“A lot of our elected officials are listening to those of us explaining the negative economic impact,” said Bert Lemkes, general manager of Tri-Hishtil, an agricultural firm in western North Carolina that specializes in plant grafting.

Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) said in an interview that the low unemployment rate has made it harder for Republicans to call for a federal mandate. He said that he would not support a national mandate but that states that do require employers to use E-Verify, such as North Carolina, should receive priority for foreign-worker visas.

“There is a worker shortage, whether it’s in low-skilled work or certified work like the construction trades,” Tillis said. “There is going to be an increasing number of unfilled positions.”


Fry cooks Modesto Lopez, left, and Gerson Gonzalez prepare meals in the kitchen of Skull Creek Dockside. The restaurant’s owner has had to raise wages to attract and keep workers. (Stephen B. Morton for The Washington Post)
He cited a business franchise with footprints in North Carolina and another state without an E-Verify requirement that he would not name because he did not want to identify the company. “In North Carolina, they have a couple hundred open jobs they can’t fill,” he said. “And in the state without E-Verify, they don’t have a worker shortage.”

Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) campaigned on the promise of implementing a statewide E-Verify mandate. But as governor, Scott told citrus growers in 2012 that it would be “foolish to put Florida companies at a disadvantage” because of the lack of a national requirement.

Nationally, 10 percent of U.S. employers are enrolled in E-Verify. The eight states that require nearly all employers to use the system are Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Utah.

California, a self-declared “sanctuary state” for immigrants in the country illegally, prohibits state agencies and municipalities from mandating E-Verify.

David Cox, owner of the family nursery L.E. Cooke Co. in Visalia, Calif., voluntarily began using E-Verify after a 2009 audit by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. A quarter of his fieldworkers were undocumented and had to be fired.

And the E-Verify signs in his office and production facilities have discouraged many immigrants from applying. Instead, Cox began primarily attracting ex-convicts.

His absenteeism rate shot from nonexistent up to 10 percent as his new employees skipped work for drug court, anger-management classes, and appointments with their probation and parole officers. He slipped a new line into his orientation speech: “No guns, knives or bombs.”

Whereas in the past, Cox harangued workers who showed up 10 minutes past the 7:30 a.m. start time, he soon began thanking the ones who bothered showing up by 10 a.m.

By April, Cox concluded that, amid other labor market conditions, he could no longer compete against nurseries that continue to employ unauthorized immigrants, and he shuttered his field operations.

“If we’re going to use E-Verify,” he said, “it has to be done on a national basis all at once so everyone is on a level playing field and everyone feels the pain.”"
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solution, shoot them all Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/25/woman-shot-dead-border-patrol-rio-bravo-texas-identified

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