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mac
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| The righties went right past the Trump administration ignoring the laws about refugees from violence and ripping babies from their mother’s arms. Talking points for diversion provided by Fox news. The holocaust ignored. |
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MalibuGuru
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| mac wrote: | | The righties went right past the Trump administration ignoring the laws about refugees from violence and ripping babies from their mother’s arms. Talking points for diversion provided by Fox news. The holocaust ignored. |
The entire non western world is on fire dipshit. Africa, China, Asia, Latin america. Where else would you want to live. They should go and fight like our forefathers did.
You want to let 5 billion people into our country? They'll cut all the trees in Yosemite if you had your way. |
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techno900
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Mac said: | Quote: | | To be clear, right wing assholes—the Trump administration is ripping young children seeking relief from violence in their home countries from their parents and keeping them in cages at the border. |
| Quote: | | The righties went right past the Trump administration ignoring the laws about refugees from violence and ripping babies from their mother’s arms. |
Read on and understand the facts. Trump is following the law.
| Quote: | The separation of children from their parents at the southern U.S. border has drawn broad public outrage - but less talked about is a little-known lawsuit that has played a major role in making the Trump administration policy reality.
The history is complicated, and it goes back to 1997, when the federal government, under former President Bill Clinton, settled a lawsuit that dictated how unaccompanied minors must be treated while in U.S. custody.
The opposing parties in the case, Flores v. Reno, agreed on terms requiring that unaccompanied children held in federal custody be placed in 'the least restrictive' environment possible.
Later, as more parents started crossing the U.S. border with very young children, the Obama administration responded by establishing large-scale family detention centers in Texas and Pennsylvania.
The move drew criticism from immigrant rights activists, and a federal judge ruled in 2015 that the family centers were in violation of Flores v. Reno – even though the original settlement was intended only to apply to unaccompanied minors.
That legal standard is still in place, and it means that children cannot be held in detention centers for more than 72 hours – even if they are with their parents, said Leon Fresco, former deputy assistant attorney general in charge of the Office of Immigration under President Obama.
We never thought we would separate the parents and the children, but I warned ... a different administration could. Leon Fresco, former Obama official.
The only two choices for the current administration is to let people in who are seeking asylum - which this (Trump) administration doesn't want to do - or separate parents from children,' Fresco said.
The decision on Flores led the Obama administration to institute a policy of primarily releasing asylum seekers who were caught at the border with their children.
'We (in the Obama administration) never thought we would separate the parents and the children,' Fresco said. 'But I warned at the time that a different administration could do that.'
The New York Times reported in April that roughly 700 children have been separated from their parents so far under the Trump administration. U.S. Customs and Border Patrol officials declined to comment for this story.
But it was that Obama-era policy that encouraged parents to bring their children along for illegal border crossings in the first place, said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington D.C.-based anti-immigration think tank.
'It was Obama's policy of letting anybody go who had a kid with them that created the expectation that it would work,' he said.
Lawyers with the American Civil Liberties Union are in the midst of a lawsuit challenging the Trump administration's policy of separating parents and children.
Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU's Immigrants' Rights Project, argued that there is a 'third choice' that should be legal regardless of the Flores settlement.
'Flores is not supposed to override a parent's choice and have their child sent to a strange facility,' said Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU's Immigrants' Rights Project.
Krikorian said that Trump's policy to separate families is a byproduct of enforcing border laws.
'The Democrats don't have a solution that would fix all these problems,' Krikorian added. 'The Democrat's solution would be to let everyone go, and that is not something the administration can responsibly do.'
While Democrats blame Trump for the policy, and Trump has pointed the finger at an unspecified Democratic law, Fresco said the Flores v. Reno settlement is a major, overlooked factor that led to the current situation.
'Nobody wanted to get to the state of the affairs that we are at,' he said. 'No policy caused this to be where we are. This all happened because of a lawsuit.'
However, Gelernt said that the Trump administration has made the decision to go through with a 'systematic' and 'unprecedented' separation of children and parents in an effort to deter families from crossing the border.
'No prior administration has done this,' he said. 'This is solely a Trump administration choice.' |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5784531/The-story-immigrant-children-separated-parents-U-S-border.html |
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boggsman1
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Wow....three pages of older gentlemen calling each other names.... This is rich. In other news the California Coast has been 30-40 for about 10 straight days now. When the FOG rolls in next month I'll be heading to the Oregon Coast , the best wave sailing spot in the Country...better than Maui IMO.. Pistol, Florence, Newport...
Carry on... |
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boggsman1
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| mat-ty wrote: | | techno900 wrote: | For those that think releasing illegals back into the community after being arrested for a crime, with no effort to contact ICE, good for you. I would not want to live in a community where the city encourages illegals to congregate, especially when they encourage the criminal element to hang around.
What's math got to do with anything. If the 440 criminals were handed over to ICE, then at a minimum, the 40 that went on to commit more crimes (felony grand larceny, assault, and robbery) would not have been around. How many of the remaining 400 are also committing more crimes and haven't yet been caught?
Mac said: | Quote: | | I sure hope you didn't teach math. |
While I try hard not to make derogatory comments, at times I just have to call a spade a spade. Mac, you really are an asshole. |
Techno let the dipshits defend Sanctuary cities all they won't . It's a loser and they are too pig headed and brain dead to know it.
Just might cost them the Governors race in CA. |
Matty, are you predicting Cox beats my old buddy Gavin in November?
BTW- Cox is a former Democrat, pretty liberal. |
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real-human
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | Mac said: | Quote: | | To be clear, right wing assholes—the Trump administration is ripping young children seeking relief from violence in their home countries from their parents and keeping them in cages at the border. |
| Quote: | | The righties went right past the Trump administration ignoring the laws about refugees from violence and ripping babies from their mother’s arms. |
Read on and understand the facts. Trump is following the law.
| Quote: | The separation of children from their parents at the southern U.S. border has drawn broad public outrage - but less talked about is a little-known lawsuit that has played a major role in making the Trump administration policy reality.
The history is complicated, and it goes back to 1997, when the federal government, under former President Bill Clinton, settled a lawsuit that dictated how unaccompanied minors must be treated while in U.S. custody.
The opposing parties in the case, Flores v. Reno, agreed on terms requiring that unaccompanied children held in federal custody be placed in 'the least restrictive' environment possible.
Later, as more parents started crossing the U.S. border with very young children, the Obama administration responded by establishing large-scale family detention centers in Texas and Pennsylvania.
The move drew criticism from immigrant rights activists, and a federal judge ruled in 2015 that the family centers were in violation of Flores v. Reno – even though the original settlement was intended only to apply to unaccompanied minors.
That legal standard is still in place, and it means that children cannot be held in detention centers for more than 72 hours – even if they are with their parents, said Leon Fresco, former deputy assistant attorney general in charge of the Office of Immigration under President Obama.
We never thought we would separate the parents and the children, but I warned ... a different administration could. Leon Fresco, former Obama official.
The only two choices for the current administration is to let people in who are seeking asylum - which this (Trump) administration doesn't want to do - or separate parents from children,' Fresco said.
The decision on Flores led the Obama administration to institute a policy of primarily releasing asylum seekers who were caught at the border with their children.
'We (in the Obama administration) never thought we would separate the parents and the children,' Fresco said. 'But I warned at the time that a different administration could do that.'
The New York Times reported in April that roughly 700 children have been separated from their parents so far under the Trump administration. U.S. Customs and Border Patrol officials declined to comment for this story.
But it was that Obama-era policy that encouraged parents to bring their children along for illegal border crossings in the first place, said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington D.C.-based anti-immigration think tank.
'It was Obama's policy of letting anybody go who had a kid with them that created the expectation that it would work,' he said.
Lawyers with the American Civil Liberties Union are in the midst of a lawsuit challenging the Trump administration's policy of separating parents and children.
Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU's Immigrants' Rights Project, argued that there is a 'third choice' that should be legal regardless of the Flores settlement.
'Flores is not supposed to override a parent's choice and have their child sent to a strange facility,' said Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the ACLU's Immigrants' Rights Project.
Krikorian said that Trump's policy to separate families is a byproduct of enforcing border laws.
'The Democrats don't have a solution that would fix all these problems,' Krikorian added. 'The Democrat's solution would be to let everyone go, and that is not something the administration can responsibly do.'
While Democrats blame Trump for the policy, and Trump has pointed the finger at an unspecified Democratic law, Fresco said the Flores v. Reno settlement is a major, overlooked factor that led to the current situation.
'Nobody wanted to get to the state of the affairs that we are at,' he said. 'No policy caused this to be where we are. This all happened because of a lawsuit.'
However, Gelernt said that the Trump administration has made the decision to go through with a 'systematic' and 'unprecedented' separation of children and parents in an effort to deter families from crossing the border.
'No prior administration has done this,' he said. 'This is solely a Trump administration choice.' |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5784531/The-story-immigrant-children-separated-parents-U-S-border.html |
what a crock, dems have many times over the years wanted to institute a national ID that is voluntary. This id is free and can be acquired at any post office of federal building. It has a picture and biometric built in. I add You lose it within a year and you can get a temp immediately and for say 0.1% of your net wealth or 1/2 hour of minimum wage whichever is higher. This is not mandatory but if presented when being hired the employer can not be charged for hiring illegals and it is valid for all forms of identification. If an employer hires people without this ID, they can do jail time depending on how many violations they have if the employee is not valid to work in the USA.... you would pick up this ID at a designated post office at your convenience in about 2 weeks for the permanent one. It can not be delivered to your home, as you will need to be identified as the proper person accepting it.
Right wingers do not want this, because it is right wing companies employing illegal workers and it also give free and easy to get state of the art tamperproof/resistant ID for voters, and right wingers do not want americans to vote.
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mac
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Techno cites Mark Krikorian, an anti-immigrant source for the legality of separating kids, who blames it all on Obama. Well I’m sure impresseed with the credibility of that source. |
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mat-ty
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| boggsman1 wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | techno900 wrote: | For those that think releasing illegals back into the community after being arrested for a crime, with no effort to contact ICE, good for you. I would not want to live in a community where the city encourages illegals to congregate, especially when they encourage the criminal element to hang around.
What's math got to do with anything. If the 440 criminals were handed over to ICE, then at a minimum, the 40 that went on to commit more crimes (felony grand larceny, assault, and robbery) would not have been around. How many of the remaining 400 are also committing more crimes and haven't yet been caught?
Mac said: | Quote: | | I sure hope you didn't teach math. |
While I try hard not to make derogatory comments, at times I just have to call a spade a spade. Mac, you really are an asshole. |
Techno let the dipshits defend Sanctuary cities all they won't . It's a loser and they are too pig headed and brain dead to know it.
Just might cost them the Governors race in CA. |
Matty, are you predicting Cox beats my old buddy Gavin in November?
BTW- Cox is a former Democrat, pretty liberal. |
Much better chance than he had yesterday  |
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boggsman1
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| Its a very simple question, yes or no. You are an expert on dodging straight forward questions, please answer the question. |
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mat-ty
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| boggsman1 wrote: | | Its a very simple question, yes or no. You are an expert on dodging straight forward questions, please answer the question. |
Never heard his name till a week ago. Don't follow California politics all that close. Gavin will most likely be tough to beat in such a blue state, but never say never, as Trump has taught us.
I can also say that Trumps is on the rise despite a year and a half of BS and obstruction from the left.
I hope Chuckie and other clowns have a nice steamy August in Washington. |
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