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mat-ty



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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coboardhead wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
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I can't post the link from my phone. But, there was an article I read in Newsweek that illustrated that Trump won the election because of fear mongering about immigration.

This is not lost on his supporters. Keep this fear alive. It's why Trump is being such a hard ass on immigration. The problem is the demographics of the sensitive seats in Congress up for grabs in this mid term election. I think this is the split we are seeing between Trump and his party right now.

Politics plain and simple. The Democrats don't really need to do anything but watch from the sidelines on this. Not much could be done anyway.


Don't confuse REALITY with FEAR....


Prove it Matty! Show me some data that illegal immigration costs those voters in the rust belt that swung the election jobs. SHOW ME THE NUMBERS!



Cobo....think for yourself for a moment. DO YOU THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO ABSORB ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WITH LITTLE TO NO EDUCATION AT ITS CURRENT LEVEL WITHOUT SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES???????????


Trump is following the law, and doing exactly what Dems were preaching less than ten years ago......Protect the border, when did dems turn their back on common sense and the American people????

I'll tell you when, when they realized they were losing middle America and DESPERATLY need to build a base at the bottom ....


Matty. Just answer the question. Prove that illegal immigration takes jobs from the rust belt voters that swung this election. Because my source said those folks cast their votes out of fear. You claimed it was reality. So, just prove it.

Thinking for oneself is different than making up facts in a vacuum because you believe that's what the answer should be.

Don't distract this with why that base lost it's support of the Democrats. This just supports my assertion that they will believe a lie because they are desperate. Prove that Trump wasn't lying when he told these people illegal immigrants were taking their jobs.



Whos jobs are they taken?. Painters, landscapers, gutter cleaning, kitchen help, bus boys, cleaners and countless other low skill jobs. Are you implying there are no illegals in the rust belt. Come on get real.



Excellent article here, please read. Backs up arguments from both sides.

What we gain from illegal labor we lose in entitlements. And blacks and hispanics are hurt the most by the wealth distribution to the top money earners...


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216
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J64TWB



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew some illegals years ago. They came here for one reason. To work hard and I mean very hard, and make very little. Not lazy, super honest and good people. Not drug dealers or rapist.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
I can't post the link from my phone. But, there was an article I read in Newsweek that illustrated that Trump won the election because of fear mongering about immigration.

This is not lost on his supporters. Keep this fear alive. It's why Trump is being such a hard ass on immigration. The problem is the demographics of the sensitive seats in Congress up for grabs in this mid term election. I think this is the split we are seeing between Trump and his party right now.

Politics plain and simple. The Democrats don't really need to do anything but watch from the sidelines on this. Not much could be done anyway.


Don't confuse REALITY with FEAR....


Prove it Matty! Show me some data that illegal immigration costs those voters in the rust belt that swung the election jobs. SHOW ME THE NUMBERS!



Cobo....think for yourself for a moment. DO YOU THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO ABSORB ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WITH LITTLE TO NO EDUCATION AT ITS CURRENT LEVEL WITHOUT SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES???????????


Trump is following the law, and doing exactly what Dems were preaching less than ten years ago......Protect the border, when did dems turn their back on common sense and the American people????

I'll tell you when, when they realized they were losing middle America and DESPERATLY need to build a base at the bottom ....


Matty. Just answer the question. Prove that illegal immigration takes jobs from the rust belt voters that swung this election. Because my source said those folks cast their votes out of fear. You claimed it was reality. So, just prove it.

Thinking for oneself is different than making up facts in a vacuum because you believe that's what the answer should be.

Don't distract this with why that base lost it's support of the Democrats. This just supports my assertion that they will believe a lie because they are desperate. Prove that Trump wasn't lying when he told these people illegal immigrants were taking their jobs.



Whos jobs are they taken?. Painters, landscapers, gutter cleaning, kitchen help, bus boys, cleaners and countless other low skill jobs. Are you implying there are no illegals in the rust belt. Come on get real.



Excellent article here, please read. Backs up arguments from both sides.

What we gain from illegal labor we lose in entitlements. And blacks and hispanics are hurt the most by the wealth distribution to the top money earners...


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216


The article you cited is not specific to illegal immigration.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

again clearly this is what Mad-dy and the other right wing loved... They did not speak out against such disgusting and shameful acts, they are proud of Trump and him doing this.

Not one right winger on this forum spoke out against this... They are deplorables and darn proud of it... They just love to live in their hate.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vientomas wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
coboardhead wrote:
I can't post the link from my phone. But, there was an article I read in Newsweek that illustrated that Trump won the election because of fear mongering about immigration.

This is not lost on his supporters. Keep this fear alive. It's why Trump is being such a hard ass on immigration. The problem is the demographics of the sensitive seats in Congress up for grabs in this mid term election. I think this is the split we are seeing between Trump and his party right now.

Politics plain and simple. The Democrats don't really need to do anything but watch from the sidelines on this. Not much could be done anyway.


Don't confuse REALITY with FEAR....


Prove it Matty! Show me some data that illegal immigration costs those voters in the rust belt that swung the election jobs. SHOW ME THE NUMBERS!



Cobo....think for yourself for a moment. DO YOU THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO ABSORB ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WITH LITTLE TO NO EDUCATION AT ITS CURRENT LEVEL WITHOUT SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES???????????


Trump is following the law, and doing exactly what Dems were preaching less than ten years ago......Protect the border, when did dems turn their back on common sense and the American people????

I'll tell you when, when they realized they were losing middle America and DESPERATLY need to build a base at the bottom ....


Matty. Just answer the question. Prove that illegal immigration takes jobs from the rust belt voters that swung this election. Because my source said those folks cast their votes out of fear. You claimed it was reality. So, just prove it.

Thinking for oneself is different than making up facts in a vacuum because you believe that's what the answer should be.

Don't distract this with why that base lost it's support of the Democrats. This just supports my assertion that they will believe a lie because they are desperate. Prove that Trump wasn't lying when he told these people illegal immigrants were taking their jobs.



Whos jobs are they taken?. Painters, landscapers, gutter cleaning, kitchen help, bus boys, cleaners and countless other low skill jobs. Are you implying there are no illegals in the rust belt. Come on get real.



Excellent article here, please read. Backs up arguments from both sides.

What we gain from illegal labor we lose in entitlements. And blacks and hispanics are hurt the most by the wealth distribution to the top money earners...


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216


The article you cited is not specific to illegal immigration.



It's an excellent article by a Harvard economist and supports many of my long held beliefs....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluefish1 wrote:
I knew some illegals years ago. They came here for one reason. To work hard and I mean very hard, and make very little. Not lazy, super honest and good people. Not drug dealers or rapist.



All true, and I have known many also. They are humans and I respect them, but it does come at a cost, especially to the very people who dems claim to want to help the most.

It also goes against Dems cries for wealth distribution. Illegal immigration lines the pockets of the rich and corporate America more than anyone else.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The notion that they "take" jobs is pathetic , and Adam Smith is rolling in his grave. Gone are the days when Republicans were free market capitalists.. Gone....Gone ...Gone....
Now its all Government intervention and tariffs.....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that is the best time cover in the history of time from what I can see.

I hope trump uses it to spank some more porn star affairs he has. He loves his pictures in the magazines... remember he also make a fake news one and had it blown up and put in his various golfing resorts..

http://time.com/5317522/donald-trump-border-cover/

should have had him mouthing the national anthem at the same time... with his hand over his (no-heart)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
The notion that they "take" jobs is pathetic , and Adam Smith is rolling in his grave. Gone are the days when Republicans were free market capitalists.. Gone....Gone ...Gone....
Now its all Government intervention and tariffs.....



Ignore at your own peril. When your kids and grand kids life style is a fraction of yours you will have no one else to blame but the deniers
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trumps move yesterday was brilliant and revealed what dems really want OPEN BORDERS, also know as new voter base.

Today they are screaming no one should be detained.

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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