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Goodwind
Joined: 06 May 2005 Posts: 323 Location: On water
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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...but if you want to stay dry, you better learn how to jibe... |
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philodog
Joined: 28 Apr 2000 Posts: 209
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:46 am Post subject: |
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isobars wrote: | Every day on the water I see extremely experienced Gorge sailors who look great on their reaches and stay dry for hours but who never plane through their jibes. It's just not a high priority with them, and they clearly couldn't care less what label others may apply to their skills. |
If one is extremely experienced and can't plane through their jibes they are only extremely experienced at doing crappy jibes. |
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dllee
Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 5329 Location: East Bay
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Almost every intermediate can look proficient sailing in a straight line.
Only advanced can look good on their jibes. |
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westender
Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 1288 Location: Portland / Gorge
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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One thing an expert can do is, look at the water and know the right gear to rig without having to ask anybody else or check an electronic gizmo. |
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PeconicPuffin
Joined: 07 Jun 2004 Posts: 1830
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:17 am Post subject: |
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philodog wrote: | isobars wrote: | Every day on the water I see extremely experienced Gorge sailors who look great on their reaches and stay dry for hours but who never plane through their jibes. It's just not a high priority with them, and they clearly couldn't care less what label others may apply to their skills. |
If one is extremely experienced and can't plane through their jibes they are only extremely experienced at doing crappy jibes. |
Yes.
Most windsurfers find themselves stuck on plateaus from time to time. This is when lessons and or clinics can help move them/us forward. And of course there's "dry hair syndrome" where windsurfers have reached a certain level of proficiency, and care very much about looking "bad" (ie falling) so rather than press forward, they dig their heels (and board tails) in.
Show me a windsurfer who CAN plane through their jibes but consistently chooses not to because they don't find it more satisfying. _________________ Michael
http://www.peconicpuffin.com |
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TheAdmiral
Joined: 27 Dec 2009 Posts: 43
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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I to am striving for a cleaner ,planning gybe. Live and sail in Florida and mostly use larger gear. I found I hold the gybe too long and flip the sail both late and slow. The board slows (due to lack of apparent wind) and I usually clew for exit. I'm 70 and booked an 8 day trip to Bonaire . So far looks like decent wind in July. Maybe I'll get the hang of a planning and plan to attempt a duct gybe or 2. Thanks, Mark |
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alap
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 156
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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the biggest problem learning to jibe is that the practice time is very limited.
Say the reach is 5 minutes, so in an hour you can make 12 jybes max. Provided all jybes are successful and the wind cooperates on every jybe (no lull or crazy gust the moment you need to jybe)
and in 4 hour session (that is a good session, I must say) it is 50 jybes max.
compare this with 4 hours on the reach hitting cozillion chop moguls and enjoying every second
or compare with one ski run - like 300 turns? |
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coachg
Joined: 10 Sep 2000 Posts: 3550
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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alap wrote: | the biggest problem learning to jibe is that the practice time is very limited.
Say the reach is 5 minutes, so in an hour you can make 12 jybes max. Provided all jybes are successful and the wind cooperates on every jybe (no lull or crazy gust the moment you need to jybe) |
Ahh, there is your problem. Just because the reach is 5 minutes doesn't mean you have to go for 5 minutes before you jibe or tack.
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techno900
Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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When I work/helped beginners/novices, I tell them that they need to make at least 10 tacks (beginners), and 10 tacks and jibes (novices) before they go on a reach of more than 25 yards. Repetition is the only way to improve. More falling and less fun, but a short learning curve is worth it.
The only reason to go on a reach for more than a minute to learn/practice a carve jibe is to make up any downwind loss because of the jibe.
For me in a 20+ mph wind, 105L board and 6.0 sail, a 5 minute reach means at least 2 miles. One jibe every 2 miles isn't practice.
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alap
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 156
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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coach this is true, I can cut it in half, may be, but then I'll be jybing in the middle in the choppiest place; plus those 2 minutes I'll be not sailing, but "sailing upwind", not to loose ground, which is very different. With full reach I enjoy every second of this free ride.
But still, even so, it will be 100 jybes max, not 50.
And if you fall on the jybe the waterstart takes from 10 seconds to couple minutes, depending on wind, and drains the energy if repeated. |
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