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mac
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| Another bit of evidence of the shameless conservatives. Caught making up “facts”, Bard makes up some more. The only thing that is consistent is the meanness and hatred. Perhaps that’s an ism—and NW can tell us about it. To try to divert from the overt bigotry of his comments. Bard—you’re a heartless pig. |
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mac
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | MalibuGuru wrote: | | The pig waste sites and the coal ash sites were there long before trump became president |
Bard got one right. They were the result of Carolina Republicans and GOP resistance to protecting public health. |
What did your girlfriend Obama do about it????? that's right nothing.. |
There may come a time when pig shit Matty gets one right. This is not that time. As anyone who paid attention in high school civics knows, the Federal system relies on state efforts. The role of EPA—where I worked more than 40 years ago—is to develop state programs and only step in where the states shirk their responsibilities. North Carolina was derelict in their regulation of this toxic waste. One click gets you the story: http://appvoices.org/resources/coal_ash/State-of-Coal-Ash-Regulation-in-NC-0909.pdf
Of course, the Bush administration did nothing about this problem—and Obama did. That’s why the alligators in Trump’s swamp are trying to roll those regulations back. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-s-epa-rolls-back-obama-era-coal-ash-regulations-n892586
Once again, pig shit boy is wrong on every detail. How old was he when he dropped out? |
I get plenty right dipshit, you are just a sick old man who blames republicans for everything. Your list of Trump crimes from the last year is a sad testimony to how sick you are. |
Wrong on every detail. You failed to tell us when you dropped out. Was it after you failed every course in 8th grade? |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | mac wrote: | | MalibuGuru wrote: | | The pig waste sites and the coal ash sites were there long before trump became president |
Bard got one right. They were the result of Carolina Republicans and GOP resistance to protecting public health. |
What did your girlfriend Obama do about it????? that's right nothing.. |
There may come a time when pig shit Matty gets one right. This is not that time. As anyone who paid attention in high school civics knows, the Federal system relies on state efforts. The role of EPA—where I worked more than 40 years ago—is to develop state programs and only step in where the states shirk their responsibilities. North Carolina was derelict in their regulation of this toxic waste. One click gets you the story: http://appvoices.org/resources/coal_ash/State-of-Coal-Ash-Regulation-in-NC-0909.pdf
Of course, the Bush administration did nothing about this problem—and Obama did. That’s why the alligators in Trump’s swamp are trying to roll those regulations back. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-s-epa-rolls-back-obama-era-coal-ash-regulations-n892586
Once again, pig shit boy is wrong on every detail. How old was he when he dropped out? |
I get plenty right dipshit, you are just a sick old man who blames republicans for everything. Your list of Trump crimes from the last year is a sad testimony to how sick you are. |
Wrong on every detail. You failed to tell us when you dropped out. Was it after you failed every course in 8th grade? |
First year of college asshole , Northeastern. I had a six figure income and owned over a Million dollars in real estate before I was 25 years old...zero regrets. |
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nw30
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | Another bit of evidence of the shameless conservatives. Caught making up “facts”, Bard makes up some more. The only thing that is consistent is the meanness and hatred. Perhaps that’s an ism—and NW can tell us about it. To try to divert from the overt bigotry of his comments. Bard—you’re a heartless pig. |
Dude, get ahold of yourself!
You act as though your world is coming to an end or something. |
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techno900
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Coal ash and Pig waste - acknowledged problems in North Carolina:
A few thoughts - Between Governors and legislative control, liberals have been in control for most of the time in the last 25 years.
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North Carolina has shifted to Republican control in recent years.
Democrats held an eleven-year trifecta from 1999 to 2010.
Between 1993 and 2012, Democrats held the governorship.
North Carolina Party Control: 1992-2017:
14 years of Democratic trifectas • 4 years of Republican trifectas |
It appears that the coal ash solution is lining retaining pits with plastic, and Trump has delayed the implementation deadline.
From Mac's post:
| Quote: | The EPA states that the relaxed rules will save affected utility companies $28 to $31 million a year in regulatory costs.
"These amendments provide states and utilities much-needed flexibility in the management of coal ash, while ensuring human health and the environment are protected," Wheeler said in a statement. "Our actions mark a significant departure from the one-size-fits-all policies of the past and save tens of millions of dollars in regulatory costs."
The EPA extended the time by 18 months that the industry can use unlined coal ash ponds and groundwater-adjacent sites for dumping. The Obama administration sought to phase out those sites by April 2019.
The unlined ponds are considered by environmentalists to be the worst offenders for polluting groundwater that sometimes is tapped for drinking.
"The Trump administration is turing a blind eye to damage done to our drinking water," said Lisa Evans, senior counsel for environmental group Earthjustice. "This is aimed at saving industry money instead of protecting the public." |
Pig waste - It's a big problem, but I haven't read about solutions other than moving farms further away from creeks, streams and rivers and no where near any other private homes because of the smell. Not easy to do.
Or maybe convince the world that pork isn't a environmentally friendly product and to stop cultivating it. Zero chance of that!
Of course, flooding is the straw that is breaking the back of coal ash and pig waste issues. If the flooding is a by product of climate change and it will get worse, then I guess eastern North Carolina will have to move to Tennessee. |
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mat-ty
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| techno900 wrote: | Coal ash and Pig waste - acknowledged problems in North Carolina:
A few thoughts - Between Governors and legislative control, liberals have been in control for most of the time in the last 25 years.
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North Carolina has shifted to Republican control in recent years.
Democrats held an eleven-year trifecta from 1999 to 2010.
Between 1993 and 2012, Democrats held the governorship.
North Carolina Party Control: 1992-2017:
14 years of Democratic trifectas • 4 years of Republican trifectas |
It appears that the coal ash solution is lining retaining pits with plastic, and Trump has delayed the implementation deadline.
From Mac's post:
| Quote: | The EPA states that the relaxed rules will save affected utility companies $28 to $31 million a year in regulatory costs.
"These amendments provide states and utilities much-needed flexibility in the management of coal ash, while ensuring human health and the environment are protected," Wheeler said in a statement. "Our actions mark a significant departure from the one-size-fits-all policies of the past and save tens of millions of dollars in regulatory costs."
The EPA extended the time by 18 months that the industry can use unlined coal ash ponds and groundwater-adjacent sites for dumping. The Obama administration sought to phase out those sites by April 2019.
The unlined ponds are considered by environmentalists to be the worst offenders for polluting groundwater that sometimes is tapped for drinking.
"The Trump administration is turing a blind eye to damage done to our drinking water," said Lisa Evans, senior counsel for environmental group Earthjustice. "This is aimed at saving industry money instead of protecting the public." |
Pig waste - It's a big problem, but I haven't read about solutions other than moving farms further away from creeks, streams and rivers and no where near any other private homes because of the smell. Not easy to do.
Or maybe convince the world that pork isn't a environmentally friendly product and to stop cultivating it. Zero chance of that!
Of course, flooding is the straw that is breaking the back of coal ash and pig waste issues. If the flooding is a by product of climate change and it will get worse, then I guess eastern North Carolina will have to move to Tennessee. |
But there is only a .02% chance it will happen again....You have much higher odds of stepping in HUMAN crap in San Fran ON ANY GIVEN DAY. |
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mac
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | Coal ash and Pig waste - acknowledged problems in North Carolina:
A few thoughts - Between Governors and legislative control, liberals have been in control for most of the time in the last 25 years.
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North Carolina has shifted to Republican control in recent years.
Democrats held an eleven-year trifecta from 1999 to 2010.
Between 1993 and 2012, Democrats held the governorship.
North Carolina Party Control: 1992-2017:
14 years of Democratic trifectas • 4 years of Republican trifectas |
It appears that the coal ash solution is lining retaining pits with plastic, and Trump has delayed the implementation deadline.
From Mac's post:
| Quote: | The EPA states that the relaxed rules will save affected utility companies $28 to $31 million a year in regulatory costs.
"These amendments provide states and utilities much-needed flexibility in the management of coal ash, while ensuring human health and the environment are protected," Wheeler said in a statement. "Our actions mark a significant departure from the one-size-fits-all policies of the past and save tens of millions of dollars in regulatory costs."
The EPA extended the time by 18 months that the industry can use unlined coal ash ponds and groundwater-adjacent sites for dumping. The Obama administration sought to phase out those sites by April 2019.
The unlined ponds are considered by environmentalists to be the worst offenders for polluting groundwater that sometimes is tapped for drinking.
"The Trump administration is turing a blind eye to damage done to our drinking water," said Lisa Evans, senior counsel for environmental group Earthjustice. "This is aimed at saving industry money instead of protecting the public." |
Pig waste - It's a big problem, but I haven't read about solutions other than moving farms further away from creeks, streams and rivers and no where near any other private homes because of the smell. Not easy to do.
Or maybe convince the world that pork isn't a environmentally friendly product and to stop cultivating it. Zero chance of that!
Of course, flooding is the straw that is breaking the back of coal ash and pig waste issues. If the flooding is a by product of climate change and it will get worse, then I guess eastern North Carolina will have to move to Tennessee. |
Techno—if you looked into the changes in the pork industry, you would find that raising pigs in North Carolina has changed from a lot of small producers with small numbers of hogs to a corporate business with huge numbers and concentrated waste. In the process, the corporate big pigs—starting with Smithfield—has abused those who live nearby and the environment. (6 corporations account for virtually all ofbthe production, which has increased dramatically.).
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/20/north-carolina-hog-industry-pig-farms
Pork is much more healthy to eat now, but it is a desire to maximize profits that lead the businesses to ignore making the business more sustainable. But then arriving home to find your house contaminated by pig shit, mud, and coal ash may open some voters eyes.
In California we regulate waste from dairies and feed lots and still have some of the best beef in the country.
Matty’s comment is too laughable and ignorant to warrant a response.
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There's always more to the story:
| Quote: | By Kris Maher and Ben Kesling
Sept. 19, 2018 7:09 p.m. ET
Floodwaters have caused the worst damage to North Carolina’s hog farms in nearly two decades, with more than 5,000 animals dying and several dozen waste lagoons releasing pollutants into waterways.
Hog industry officials said Wednesday they didn’t expect much more damage to farms, despite some rivers continuing to rise in the state. But environmental groups are calling for the industry to relocate lagoons in floodplains to lessen the risks during major storms going forward.
Flooding was expected in North Carolina through Saturday, and many roads remain under water, the National Weather Service said.
“This is the most significant storm that we have faced probably ever,” said Andy Curliss, chief executive of the North Carolina Pork Council.
Pigs stand in a pen at a farm in Ayden, N.C., on Sept. 12. Florence killed 5,500 of North Carolina’s 8.9 million pigs and hogs, the state said. Photo: Callaghan O'Hare/Bloomberg News Mr. Curliss said farmers moved 20,000 hogs to higher ground, which prevented a higher death toll. “From our point of view, there’s a lot of heroics,” he said, adding that media reports of damage to several of the state’s 3,300 active hog-waste lagoons was exaggerated.
Hurricane Florence killed 5,500 of the state’s 8.9 million pigs and hogs, the state said. That is more than the 2,800 hogs that died during Hurricane Matthew in 2016, but far less than the 21,000 hogs that died during Hurricane Floyd in 1999, according to pork council numbers.
An estimated 3.4 million chickens and turkeys were killed by Florence, the North Carolina Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services reported Wednesday.
The North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality said it had received reports of breaches, or structural failures, at least two hog-waste lagoons. One breach in Duplin County was considered a total loss and more than 2.2 million gallons had spilled out, said Megan Thorpe, a department spokeswoman.
The agency said heavy rains had caused manure to spill over at 21 additional lagoons. It didn’t have an estimate for the total amount spilled at farms.
Spilled waste from lagoons risks contaminating groundwater, including potentially from pathogens like salmonella, insecticides and pharmaceuticals.
“Clearly it’s a lot of waste getting into the water,” said Bob Edwards, a professor of sociology at East Carolina University, who has studied the waste lagoons.
Mr. Edwards said the storm will renew calls to relocate about 60 existing hog farms and associated waste lagoons from floodplains. Since Hurricane Floyd, a state program has bought farms and relocated more than 100 lagoons from floodplains, according to the state environmental agency.
Mr. Curliss said the industry is supportive of the program, but he defended the lagoon system, saying it had the approval of federal and state environmental officials.
“We have spent a lot of money, time and effort into looking into alternatives, and right now there isn’t one,” he said. “Lagoon technology is very widely accepted.” |
https://www.wsj.com/articles/florence-flooding-hits-north-carolina-hog-farms-hard-1537398585
From Mac's posted story: | Quote: | | “More than 80% of hog farms are owned and operated by families,” Smithfield argues. “They produce good products, they do it the right way, and they strive to be good neighbors.” |
While I don't know the number of hogs owned by Smithfield, I would guess it's a lot more than what's owned by the "80% of hog farms owned and operated by families".
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