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isobars



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watched Lomborg again today reiterate his basic CC research results. Nothing new: Warming exists, man has some influence on it, its serious effects are generations down the road and will never resemble the armageddon the alarmists spew, it is still ranks dead last among the 16 leading concerns of the world's populace and leaders, hurricane frequency has been dropping since 1900 but some hurricanes are stronger for an effective wash in damages, legislation will not even touch the progress that motivation might make (e.g., make clean energy cheaper than fossil fuels), and we can still solve the 16 worse problems FAR sooner and for MUCH less money than GW.

Once again, for those who dismiss Lomborg as a mere statistician ... who better than a statistician to analyze the STATISTICS we call past weather/climate right up to five minutes ago? Beginning 5 minutes from now, forecasting replaces statistics. That's where Bastardi steps up to the plate as one of the world's foremost hurricane experts.

Sheesh! This topic deserves one small page of posts, not thousands of them.
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mac



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As usual, Isobars takes information out of context and mixes facts and opinions as if they were the same thing. He has misrepresented Lomborg before, and now ventures an opinion that the worst impacts of global warming are generations down the road as a factual argument to do nothing. Wrong on pretty much every detail.

First, a link to a study of the National Parks system which shows damage being done now:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/energy-environment/2018/09/25/climate-change-is-destroying-our-national-parks-an-alarming-rate-study-finds/?utm_term=.26acbc851fd4

The conclusion in the underlying study, reproduced without comment:

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Conclusion
Through spatial analyses of historical and projected
temperature and precipitation, we have revealed a
previously unreported disproportionate magnitude of
climate change in the US national parks, including
hotter and drier historical trends and a greater fraction
of the area with projected temperature increases
>2 °C, the upper limit of the Paris Agreement goal.
National parks in Alaska are most exposed to temperature
increases while Hawaii, the Virgin Islands, and
the southwestern US are most exposed to precipitation
decreases.
US national parks protect some of the most
irreplaceable ecosystems and cultural sites in the
world. The climate spatial data presented here can
enable national parks and other US protected areas to
analyze vulnerabilities of numerous endangered species
and resources whose vulnerability is currently
unknown. Projected changes suggest considerable
future vulnerabilities and the need for adaptation
under all scenarios. Nevertheless, greenhouse gas
emissions reductions could substantially reduce the
magnitude of anthropogenic climate change, offering
hope for the future of the US national parks and the
resources they protect for future generations.




Second, returning to South Carolina, with the floods still raging. Science shows that this storm had about 50% more rainfall than it would have without climate change, climate change warming may have sufficiently altered the jet stream pattern to cause, or at least magnify the stalling of the storm over the Carolina's, and sea level rise meant that 11,000 more homes in the Carolina's were flooded. Further, the rash approval of development in harm's way means that an additional 102,000 homes would be affected by the Florence surge by 2050. Isobars claims that costly damages are in the future is utter nonsense.

https://www.routefifty.com/management/2018/09/sea-level-rise-homes-risk-florence/151538/

Her source: https://assets.floodiq.com/2018/09/372e6122d736944e4f615d73c07ee765-Sea-level-rise-responsible-for-20-of-the-homes-impacted-by-Hurricane-Florence%E2%80%99s-storm-surge.pdf
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nw30



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:


Sheesh! This topic deserves one small page of posts, not thousands of them.

Yep, and mostly because of mac, he tries so hard. He got tired of the "Global Cooling" thread, it went on for 568 pages, a lot more than I could have ever imagined,,,,,,,,, thanks mac for keeping it going with your *ahem* lectures.
So now he decided to start his own thread, but he didn't have the balls to call it "Global Warming", it doesn't poll very well, so he chose the more PC title of "Climate Change", which means nothing, it doesn't say which way, but it polls better.
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mac



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boy was that profound!
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mat-ty



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
isobars wrote:


Sheesh! This topic deserves one small page of posts, not thousands of them.

Yep, and mostly because of mac, he tries so hard. He got tired of the "Global Cooling" thread, it went on for 568 pages, a lot more than I could have ever imagined,,,,,,,,, thanks mac for keeping it going with your *ahem* lectures.
So now he decided to start his own thread, but he didn't have the balls to call it "Global Warming", it doesn't poll very well, so he chose the more PC title of "Climate Change", which means nothing, it doesn't say which way, but it polls better.



Next year it will be called Weather Occurrence. And it will all be the Republicans fault..
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J64TWB



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/science/ct-trump-administration-global-warming-20180928-story.html
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J64TWB



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-administration-sees-a-7-degree-rise-in-global-temperatures-by-2100/2018/09/27/b9c6fada-bb45-11e8-bdc0-90f81cc58c5d_story.html
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techno900



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trump administration sees a 7-degree rise in global temperatures by 2100

The headline in Bluefish's post is a bit misleading, so if you didn't read through the story, you may have missed:

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The global average temperature rose more than 0.5 degrees Celsius between 1880, the start of industrialization, and 1986, so the analysis assumes a roughly four degree Celsius or seven degree Fahrenheit increase from preindustrial levels.

That's a 7 degrees Fahrenheit increase between 1880 and 2100. Not to belittle the potential, just setting the record straight.
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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Authorities in Canada’s Arctic north are scrambling to transport critical supplies to three isolated communities after the early arrival of sea ice prevented delivery barges from reaching in the region.

Paulatuk, Kugluktuk and Cambridge Bay, which have a combined population of nearly 3,000 people, have been unable to receive shipments of food, fuel and lumber after ice moving from the high Arctic sealed off the Amundsen Gulf.

Guardian
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malibu has noticed that winter is coming. Science and facts still elude him.

from Morning Consult:

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Scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change warned of dire climate change consequences with "no documented historic precedent" that include worsening wildfires, food shortages and coral reef die-offs by as soon as 2040, if greenhouse gas emissions continue at their current rate and warm the planet by as much as 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit - lower than the 3.6-degree warming previously used as a threshold for the most severe climate impacts. The IPCC report, which estimates damages to cost $54 trillion, calls the steps needed to avoid the effects technically possible but politically improbable. ( The New York Times)

Global renewable electric capacity will grow by more than 1,000 gigawatts from 2018-23 - higher than the 920 GW forecast for 2017-22, according to estimates in the International Energy Agency's annual report on renewable energy. Solar energy and power from wind are expected to make up most of the renewable capacity expansion, but "bioenergy is the overlooked giant" for renewables, said IEA Executive Director Fatih Birol, because its share of global renewables consumption stands at about 50 percent. (Platts)
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