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mac
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Congratulations Techno, you found another denier site. Bet you never thought to check on their credibility—or who funds them.
Matty discovered I left out an apostrophe. I guess it worked better than viagra for him. |
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vientomas
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I see nothing in the article correlating the tempature in space with that at the surface of the earth. Do you?
"Sept. 27, 2018: The sun is entering one of the deepest Solar Minima of the Space Age. Sunspots have been absent for most of 2018, and the sun’s ultraviolet output has sharply dropped. New research shows that Earth’s upper atmosphere is responding.
“We see a cooling trend,” says Martin Mlynczak of NASA’s Langley Research Center. “High above Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.”
These results come from the SABER instrument onboard NASA’s TIMED satellite. SABER monitors infrared emissions from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances that play a key role in the energy balance of air 100 to 300 kilometers above our planet’s surface. By measuring the infrared glow of these molecules, SABER can assess the thermal state of gas at the very top of the atmosphere–a layer researchers call “the thermosphere.”
“The thermosphere always cools off during Solar Minimum. It’s one of the most important ways the solar cycle affects our planet,” explains Mlynczak, who is the associate principal investigator for SABER."
https://spaceweatherarchive.com/category/solar-cycle/ |
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techno900
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Sure, just another "denier site" or crackpot with no "credibility or who funds them".
| Quote: | Martin Mlynczak of NASA’s Langley Research Center.
Experienced Senior Research Scientist working in both Space Physics and Aeronomy and Tropospheric Climate Science. Published over 200 peer-reviewed journal articles in the refereed literature and nearly 100 invited lectures and tutorials at national and international scientific symposia. Principal Investigator of NASA satellite, aircraft, ground based, and suborbital (rockets and aircraft) remote sensing experiments studying the atmosphere from Earth's surface to the edge of Space. Also leader of technology development, algorithm development, and basic scientific research. Also adjunct professor of Physics at Christopher Newport University. |
I guess I wonder why mac calls him a denier? Does he deny warming? |
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mac
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| As Vientomas points out, the site you used took the research out of context, the cooling is in space. The site you posted, ice-age now, is a denier site associated with DeSmog Blog—one of the oldest and least credible denier sites. Congratulations. You have just Iso-barred, repeating denier spin that alleges something fundamentally different than the underlying original source. |
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techno900
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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OK, you got me. The story IS misleading.
However, awhile back, I did look at other "sun spot" science articles related to possible global warming and cooling. There wasn't a consensus either way regarding it's impact, but the sun's cycle may well play a roll on earth's temperatures, both heating and cooling.
And you likely remember that I am not a denier, just a bit skeptical about how much of the global warming is a result of CO2. |
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | OK, you got me. The story IS misleading.
However, awhile back, I did look at other "sun spot" science articles related to possible global warming and cooling. There wasn't a consensus either way regarding it's impact, but the sun's cycle may well play a roll on earth's temperatures, both heating and cooling.
And you likely remember that I am not a denier, just a bit skeptical about how much of the global warming is a result of CO2. |
What a crazy thought that the Sun could effect the Earths temperatures.
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LHDR
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | OK, you got me. The story IS misleading.
However, awhile back, I did look at other "sun spot" science articles related to possible global warming and cooling. There wasn't a consensus either way regarding it's impact, but the sun's cycle may well play a roll on earth's temperatures, both heating and cooling.
And you likely remember that I am not a denier, just a bit skeptical about how much of the global warming is a result of CO2. |
techno, I think you are using "skeptical" because it makes you seem reasonable. But you are skeptical for no good reason, as far as I can tell. What are you suggesting? That the 11 year solar cycle that your site shows nicely is going to change into a long stretch of low activity, and the low activity is going to cause lower surface temperatures for a long time, and CO2-driven global warming will compensate for some of that cooling?
You and I probably have similar opinions about people who are "skeptical" for no good reason. |
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techno900
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LDHR said: | Quote: | | techno, I think you are using "skeptical" because it makes you seem reasonable. |
I am skeptical simply because I don't yet buy into the amount of warming due to CO2, whatever that amount may be. It seems to vary. You can't legislate what you can't control, so we are expected to buy into "it's all because of man", which I am in the wait an see mode. I will do my share (within reason) to minimize man's impact, but to think is all settled science is not my style. |
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mac
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| mat-ty wrote: | | techno900 wrote: | OK, you got me. The story IS misleading.
However, awhile back, I did look at other "sun spot" science articles related to possible global warming and cooling. There wasn't a consensus either way regarding it's impact, but the sun's cycle may well play a roll on earth's temperatures, both heating and cooling.
And you likely remember that I am not a denier, just a bit skeptical about how much of the global warming is a result of CO2. |
What a crazy thought that the Sun could effect the Earths temperatures.
This moron was not paying attention when his grade school teachers explained the difference between “affect” and “effect”.
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mat-ty
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| mac wrote: | | mat-ty wrote: | | techno900 wrote: | OK, you got me. The story IS misleading.
However, awhile back, I did look at other "sun spot" science articles related to possible global warming and cooling. There wasn't a consensus either way regarding it's impact, but the sun's cycle may well play a roll on earth's temperatures, both heating and cooling.
And you likely remember that I am not a denier, just a bit skeptical about how much of the global warming is a result of CO2. |
What a crazy thought that the Sun could effect the Earths temperatures.
This moron was not paying attention when his grade school teachers explained the difference between “affect” and “effect”.
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Poor old Mac and his silly liitle grammar comments...How old are you????
Funny thing is the old fool makes more mistakes than anyone else.
By the way asshole affect and effect are misused on a regular basis...Some folks don't even bother, and simply use the word IMPACT... |
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