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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:30 pm    Post subject: Hydroxy Reply with quote

FDA pulls the emergency authorization https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-pulls-emergency-use-authorization-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-n1231076

Apparently at least 25 people have had a cardiac arrest after taking the drug.

i’m not expect Trump or any of the stooges to apologize. Or take responsibility for possibly causing deaths.
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't there some suggestion a while back that Donald Trump was actually in a program of some sort using hydroexychloroquine to fend off corvid 19?
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coboardhead



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m waiting for Matty’s thoughtful and researched response to this...

Oops. That could have been taken as a criticism of Trump. Guess I’ll hear from gybe how unfair I am.
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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

25 deaths is peanuts next to the incompetence of Trump’s response to the virus. It is so unfair to ask him to listen to his scientists, and so unfair to ask him to use the playbook developed by that fraud and non-citizen Obama.

It is so unfair to ask a man elected President to actually read his daily briefing when it is time to go golfing.
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mat-ty



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And then there's this....Bogus study, inconclusive data..
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/lancet-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-retraction-surgisphere


1000s of doctors worldwide believe the drug helps when used properly on the right patientce...Thats's a fact...

Amazing how arroused liberals got over a drug with a 70 year history simply because Trump mentioned it......liberal morons, being libweral morons..
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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incapable of thinking, or shame. Wrong, officially now. Such a fool, but anyone who would believe anything Trump has ever said is a fool. Ask Deutsche Bank.

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The FDA and the soap opera
US law allows the FDA to approve emergency use of therapies under a specific set of circumstances. In late March, with a few small, anecdotal studies suggesting that chloroquine derivatives could improve the prognosis for COVID-19 patients, the FDA determined that the potential benefits outweighed the known risks and granted the drugs an Emergency Use Authorization. This decision came after doctors had already started prescribing the drugs off-label, leading to a shortage. The drugs are normally used to treat malaria and autoimmune diseases.

FURTHER READING
FDA now wants chloroquine limited to hospitals and clinical trials [UPDATED]
Over time, however, supporting evidence failed to build, and the known side effects—which include the drugs' ability to trigger potentially fatal arrhythmias in susceptible patients—continued to be a problem. Responding to some fatal incidents, the FDA updated its Emergency Use Authorization to indicate that the drug should only be used in the context of a clinical trial or in hospitals, where care is available to immediately identify and treat any issues caused by the drugs' side effects.

The emergency authorization became a political issue very early, largely because President Trump publicly encouraged taking the drugs on numerous occasions. But the politicking reached new levels in May, when the former head of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, Rick Bright, alleged that he was pushed out of the agency in retaliation, at least in part because he tried to limit the use of chloroquine-based drugs while the evidence remained weak. In mid-May, when Bright testified to Congress, there was a partisan push to defend the use of chloroquine. Shortly afterward, Trump announced he was taking the drugs after several White House staffers tested positive for SARS-CoV-2; he dismissed one of the studies suggesting it was useless as a "Trump-enemy statement."

Complicating matters further, a different study that highlighted the impact of the potentially lethal side effects was retracted in early June due to issues with data availability.

Some solid data
But throughout the drama, solid evidence was being built. On Monday, the acting head of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (and Rick Bright's replacement), Gary Disbrow, requested that the FDA revoke the Emergency Use Authorization. The FDA responded immediately and agreed to do so. "Today's request to revoke is based on new information, including clinical trial data results, that have led BARDA to conclude that this drug may not be effective to treat COVID-19," the FDA's decision reads, "and that and that the drug's potential benefits for such use do not outweigh its known and potential risks."

A key contributor cited for this decision was the UK's RECOVERY trial, which is doing large-scale clinical testing of potential COVID-19 treatments. It tracked over 1,500 patients who were receiving hydroxychloroquine and compared their outcomes with over 3,000 who had received standard care. Mortality was somewhat lower in those who didn't receive the drug, although the result was not statistically significant. No differences were seen in measures like length of hospital stay or need for ventilation, either. Other, smaller studies also failed to demonstrate a clear effect.

Meanwhile, known side effects continued to be a problem. The FDA searched its Adverse Event Reporting System and found over 100 cases of severe cardiac side effects, most in patients who were taking an additional drug that exacerbated chloroquine's effects. Nearly a quarter of these incidents were fatal.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
And then there's this....Bogus study, inconclusive data..
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/lancet-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-retraction-surgisphere


1000s of doctors worldwide believe the drug helps when used properly on the right patientce...Thats's a fact...

Amazing how arroused liberals got over a drug with a 70 year history simply because Trump mentioned it......liberal morons, being libweral morons..


Covid 19 has been around for 70 years? Matty, you need to read a bit about drug efficacy and side effects.
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wsurfer



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
And then there's this....Bogus study, inconclusive data..
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/lancet-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-retraction-surgisphere


1000s of doctors worldwide believe the drug helps when used properly on the right patientce...Thats's a fact...

Amazing how arroused liberals got over a drug with a 70 year history simply because Trump mentioned it......liberal morons, being libweral morons..


1000's of doctors worldwide believe....

Data is more important than believing. That's why it's always nice to get a second (or third) opinion when there are plenty of quacks out there!
The French even banned the use after first "believing" in it!
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mat-ty wrote:
And then there's this....Bogus study, inconclusive data..
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/lancet-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-retraction-surgisphere


1000s of doctors worldwide believe the drug helps when used properly on the right patientce...Thats's a fact...

Amazing how arroused liberals got over a drug with a 70 year history simply because Trump mentioned it......liberal morons, being libweral morons..


Just a lovely drunk post Maddy. Your kids must be so proud of you. I can hear you slurring from here. Rolling Eyes
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mat-ty



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wsurfer wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
And then there's this....Bogus study, inconclusive data..
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/lancet-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-retraction-surgisphere


1000s of doctors worldwide believe the drug helps when used properly on the right patientce...Thats's a fact...

Amazing how arroused liberals got over a drug with a 70 year history simply because Trump mentioned it......liberal morons, being libweral morons..


1000's of doctors worldwide believe....

Data is more important than believing. That's why it's always nice to get a second (or third) opinion when there are plenty of quacks out there!
The French even banned the use after first "believing" in it!




You apparantly missed the report that all you liberal morons got all wet about has been dropped. Dropped because the authors can no longer stand behind the data...

Also moron, the FDA political stunt has zero effect on doctor/patient relationship and use of Hydrox. It will continue to be used by thousands of doctors who believe in the drugs benefit....thats a fact nitwit..


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