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mat-ty
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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mac wrote: | Those who don’t read don’t know that the Cato Institute is bedrock conservative. Those who watch Fox don’t know that the Trump family commits more crimes than immigrants. |
Let us know when they are convicted for something.... |
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mat-ty
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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swchandler wrote: | mat-ty, you know so little about illegal Hispanics that it's laughable. Nevertheless, we can always depend on you to get ugly about them and folks like me that don't subscribe to Donald Trump's hateful nonsense.
Regarding your ridiculous statement that I have zero desire to control illegal immigration, you don't have a clue. You're just assigning viewpoints with nothing to back them up. So typical these days from wingnuts from the right. |
BS....If you did you would let Trump do his job. The job that every President claimed they would do , but none have had the backbone to act on. This needs to stop, and the only way is to send the message loud and clear that the days of simply slipping into America are over. Get in line and do it the proper way or you will be wasting your time....ITS NOT THAT COMPLICATED!!!! |
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boggsman1
Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 9120 Location: at a computer
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, it is. "getting in line" is dramatically different than it was just a few years ago ... Just interview your local Coyote and see how much he makes... |
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nw30
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 6485 Location: The eye of the universe, Cen. Cal. coast
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boggsman1
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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which point is that NW? |
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swchandler
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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mat-ty, Donald Trump has done absolutely nothing to further immigration reform. The nation deserves far better. All he's done is work to make the problem worse by peddling hate to folks like you, and you're elated with him.
Unbelievably, failing on his promise to make Mexico pay for his wall doesn't seem to even register in your book. How easily you look the other way, eat up his lies, and eagerly give him unwarranted credit and praise. It's pathetic. |
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mat-ty
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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swchandler wrote: | mat-ty, Donald Trump has done absolutely nothing to further immigration reform. The nation deserves far better. All he's done is work to make the problem worse by peddling hate to folks like you, and you're elated with him.
Unbelievably, failing on his promise to make Mexico pay for his wall doesn't seem to even register in your book. How easily you look the other way, eat up his lies, and eagerly give him unwarranted credit and praise. It's pathetic. |
We are closer than we have ever been to figuring out this catastrophe on our border. Trump has gone well beyond any administration to making this a priority......no one has ever come remotely close to Trump. I could careless who pays for the wall, most people with half a brain know that was campaign BS, you know just like when Obama told you fools he would end the wars, close Gitmo, and you can keep your doctor( sound familiar???) |
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nw30
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vientomas
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/border-patrol-officer-death/
A CBS News report on the incident described the circumstances of Martinez’s death as follows:
It all happened in the town of Van Horn – more than 100 miles from El Paso and about 30 miles from the border. Agent Martinez was found dead in November [2017] in a culvert located along a quiet interstate — an area that looks like the middle of nowhere.
Martinez was responding to a tripped sensor along a known drug smuggling route. He radioed for backup. A law enforcement source tells CBS News Martinez then parked on the eastbound side of Interstate 10. He turned off his headlights and kept his emergency lights off so potential smugglers wouldn’t see him coming.
It was a moonless night. There are no street lights there, so really the only light you have would be a flashlight, or the headlights of a passing vehicle. The source says Martinez was not using night vision equipment. He then ran across the eastbound lane, the grass divider, then the westbound lanes and ran right off the edge of a culvert — about a nine or 10 foot drop — that had no guardrail or barrier to stop him.
Agent Stephen Garland, who arrived after Martinez, may have made the same mistake, running across the interstate and right off the edge. The FBI suspects he fell off at a different point because his blood was found about 22 feet away from Martinez’s body. A border patrol dispatcher was able to make contact with Garland after his fall. Despite his injuries, Garland was able to get back to his vehicle and turn on his emergency lights.
At that time, Garland told the dispatcher something to the effect of “we ran into a culvert,” or “I ran into a culvert,” or “I think I ran into a culvert.” The dispatcher wrote in his log, “(he) thinks they ran into a culvert.” The FBI found no other foot prints at the scene, no defensive wounds on either men, or DNA belonging to anyone other than the two agents.
Culberson County Sheriff Oscar Carrillo, who was one of the first to respond to reports that Martinez and his partner were down, also told NPR that Martinez’ death was likely an accident:
On the night of Nov. 18, [Carrillo] was one of the first-responders to a report of a Border Patrol agent down in a culvert — a drainage tunnel that runs under a roadway.
“This is the top of the culvert,” Carrillo said, in a recent return visit to the site of the agent’s death. “Agent Martinez was right there at the base, in the face-up position. And as you can see, it’s pretty high.”
The drop is about 10 feet onto hard ground.
The sheriff surmises that Agent Rogelio Martinez and his partner parked on the far side of the interstate to check something out, they ran across the freeway, and right off the top of the culvert.
“They just didn’t see the drop-off,” he said, pointing to the top of the cement tunnel. “You see, no guard railing, no reflectors, it’s a dark night.”
The FBI’s own investigation of Martinez’s death found no evidence proving or indicating he had been murdered or attacked by human agents:
On the night of November 18, 2017, in the vicinity of mile marker 151 and approximately 12 miles east of Van Horn, Texas, Border Patrol Agent Martinez and his partner were seriously injured while on-duty and conducting routine checks of culverts in the area. Agent Martinez later succumbed to his injuries. The FBI has the jurisdiction and responsibility for investigating any matter involving the suspected assault of a federal officer, and took the lead in the investigation on the morning of November 19, 2017. To date, this investigation has not conclusively determined how Agent Martinez and his partner ended up at the bottom of the culvert and no suspects have been linked to this incident.
This investigation has been the top priority of the El Paso FBI Field Office, and the FBI has aggressively pursued all logical leads and investigative avenues. As part of this effort, the FBI has investigated multiple theories, including whether the Border Patrol Agents were ambushed or attacked or whether their injuries were as a result of an accident or any other relevant criminal activity …
To date none of the more than 650 interviews completed, locations searched, or evidence collected and analyzed have produced evidence that would support the existence of a scuffle, altercation, or attack on November 18, 2017.
The FBI had identified two persons of interest, but through forensic analysis both have been determined not to have had anything to do with the death of Agent Martinez and the injuries to his partner. Additionally, the El Paso County Medical Examiner has now released the autopsy report indicating blunt injuries of the head as the cause of death. The manner of death is undetermined.
When CBS News asked renowned forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden to review Martinez’s autopsy, Dr. Baden noted that “This is all very typical for a fall, and not for a fight.”
The exact cause of Rogelio Martinez’s death may never be definitively determined, but the weight of evidence suggests his death was an accidental one, while little other than supposition supports the notion that he was killed by rock-wielding or rock-throwing attackers.
Sources
Hayes, Christal. “Migrant Caravan: Trump Suggests Immigrants Could Be Shot If They Throw Rocks at Military.”
USA Today. 1 November 2018.
Vazquez, Maegan. “Trump Reverses Claim That US Would Shoot Rock-Throwing Migrants.”
CNN. 2 November 2018.
FBI. “FBI El Paso Findings of the Investigation Into the Death of Border Patrol Agent.”
7 February 2017.
Melson, Kayla. “Border Patrol Agent Killed on Duty From El Paso.”
KTSM. 19 November 2017.
Burnett, John. “A Border Patrol Agent Dies Mysteriously. The Sheriff Has a Simple Theory.”
NPR. 2 April 2018.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection. “Border Patrol Agent from Big Bend Sector Killed in Line of Duty.”
19 February 2018.
Haag, Matthew. “F.B.I. Finds No Evidence of Attack in Death of Border Agent.”
The New York Times. 7 February 2018.
CBS News. “New Details Suggest Border Patrol Agent’s Death Was an Accident.”
21 February 2018. |
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vientomas
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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I'll leave you with this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/border-patrol-agent-fatally-shot-4-victims-head-document-says-n910091
A U.S. Border Patrol agent in Texas fatally shot four sex workers in the head and assaulted a fifth, according to court documents obtained Sunday by NBC News.
Juan David Ortiz, 35, who was arrested Saturday, was being held on four counts of murder, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and unlawful restraint. His bond was set at $2.5 million.
During an interview at the sheriff’s station, Ortiz confessed to the assault on Pena and the slayings of four other people, according to the documents.
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