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rtz



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:28 pm    Post subject: Ideal conditions to learn water start? Reply with quote

Higher wind and small sail or lower wind and big sail?

Or a certain wind speed and sail size?

What conditions would be most optimal?
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isobars



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Debatable. What is not debatable is this: Every time there's wind gusting over 15 mph, get on (actually in) the water and work on your water starts. With good videos and sufficient wind, you should be able to get pretty good at it in one long day. It's worth whatever it takes because it's probably the most vital skill in the entire sport.
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coachg



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably easiest to learn with sails under 6 meters. Clearing the clew can be a challenge with bigger sail when learning to water start.

Water between waist & chest deep helps as well. Upper teens to low 20's make for pretty good learning conditions.

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dllee



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steady 15 mph breeze, warm water, 4' depth,hard sand bottom, no waves, 5 meter sail.
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joethewindsufa



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and no 20 meter sail in 5 knots Smile
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rigitrite



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make a trip to Corpus Christi, Hatteras, or (if you have more $$$) Bonaire. Perfect conditions in all those places.
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manuel



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned by beach starting lower and lower in the water. Then figured it out in the middle of the lake.

Optimal conditions are smooth winds, medium wind speed for the sail size, and flat water.

In general, the stronger the wind for the sail size, the more upwind we want to start, the weaker the further downwind.

Try and roll onto the board with your legs and not the sail is important, leveraging board volume and float, less vulnerable to wind change.

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techno900



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't have the luxury of shallow water to learn, try a longboard. I learned on my first board, a poly HiFly 500 in 1984. When I fell to windward when sailing and if I didn't sink the sail, I tried to water start. It didn't take long to be successful. And if all goes wrong, uphaul and sail home.
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ss59



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would agree, not bigger than 6m - also, smaller, relatively lower volume boards are a lot, lot easier to waterstart - the classic second board (litres roughly = weight in kg + 50 ) is ideal

For many people, the rig recovery is actually the hardest part of the waterstart and is something you can practice chest deep water
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ramps



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget that a significant part of the skill is maneuvering the rig to get in water start position in deep water.
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