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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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techno900, if the article was short in length, I would have copied and pasted it up here to give everyone the opportunity to share in a very well written piece.
I guess to summarize your outlook on things, if a tree fell in the forrest and no one was there to witness it, the event never made a sound.
Yet, to give you another chance to hear the tree fall, here is it is from the Ukraine's global voice, Kyiv Post.
www.kyivpost.com/article/opinion/op-ed/robert-kagan-the-strongmen-strike-back.html |
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KGB-NP
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 2856
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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boggsman1 wrote: | mat-ty wrote: | boggsman1 wrote: | mac wrote: | Brd clearly did not read the article. |
No , nor did he read today's news about the Marxist move to force GM to keep Lordstown open... |
Is that the same GM that stiffed the US taxpayer for billions????? |
They paid back every cent plus a pile of interest. So, no the answer is no. And it seems like you approve of Venezuela style economics , let me ask , are in favor of seizing property too? |
Really?
https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CTF-AutoBailoutReport-2015.pdf _________________ The universe is made up of proton, neutrons, electrons, and morons. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17748 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps not the most reliable source. Certainly not balanced.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-taxpayer-federation-opinion-lamont-1.3802441
from that source:
Quote: | While the CTF's mandate is to hold elected officials to account, who holds the CTF's five members to account? Each other. Who decides who else can become a member? They do. It should be no surprise that the CTF has, as a result, faced accusations of being an Astroturf organization — a fake grassroots organization. |
A more complete analysis, and a more reliable source:
https://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/general-motors-debt/
From that article:
Quote: | Yes, it’s true that GM paid back its loan from the Treasury Department, in full, ahead of schedule.
But the debt was only part of the automaker bailout package. Through the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the Treasury gave GM $49.5 billion, most of which was converted into an ownership stake in the form of stock. Through this equity stake, the government still owns 61 percent of GM.
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I think a complete analysis would consider the current value of that 61%, and the costs avoided by not throwing workers out of work and onto unemployment. Full bankruptcy and parting out GM would have also meant losses in the economic sectors that depended on those jobs. Not clear what the net, but perhaps the government lost less than they have on many of Trump's fiascos. |
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KGB-NP
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boggsman1
Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 9120 Location: at a computer
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:49 am Post subject: |
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KGB-NP wrote: | boggsman1 wrote: | mat-ty wrote: | boggsman1 wrote: | mac wrote: | Brd clearly did not read the article. |
No , nor did he read today's news about the Marxist move to force GM to keep Lordstown open... |
Is that the same GM that stiffed the US taxpayer for billions????? |
They paid back every cent plus a pile of interest. So, no the answer is no. And it seems like you approve of Venezuela style economics , let me ask , are in favor of seizing property too? |
Really?
https://www.taxpayer.com/media/CTF-AutoBailoutReport-2015.pdf |
Its possible I didn't include the initial loans in 2007... |
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techno900
Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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swchandler said: Quote: | I guess to summarize your outlook on things, if a tree fell in the forrest and no one was there to witness it, the event never made a sound. |
Summarizing my outlook - if you post something that can't be read by others unless they have a subscription, it's basically a waste of time. |
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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techno900, maybe you failed to notice, but I did give you an alternate source to access the article outside of the constraints of the Washington Post. Why don't you just read the article and cut the BS.
Regarding accessing articles, I've found that most newspapers offer readers the opportunity to review a limited number of them monthly without having a subscription. I know that the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times both do this, and it was my recollection from some time ago that the WP did the same. The only newspaper that I know that denies folks right out of the shoot is the Wall Street Journal. |
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mac
Joined: 07 Mar 1999 Posts: 17748 Location: Berkeley, California
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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The Post also allows limited access to articles each month. |
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MalibuGuru
Joined: 11 Nov 1993 Posts: 9300
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Jail em |
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boggsman1
Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 9120 Location: at a computer
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty ironic Steve-o, considering many of Drumpf's BFF's are actually going to do real time, and probably die in jail .... |
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