Bad day for TDS........hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[vientomas]

Multiple nationwide studies have uncovered only a handful of incidents of non-citizens voting. Based on state prosecution records, votes by non-citizens account for between 0.0003 percent and 0.001 percent of all votes cast. Election officials agree that there is no serious problem of non-citizen voting in our elections. The National Association of Secretaries of State, whose Republican-majority membership includes the chief elections officers of 40 states, said they “are not aware of any evidence that supports the voter fraud claims made by President Trump.”

http://time.com/4669899/illegal-citizens-voting-trump/

[vientomas]

During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump frequently, and inaccurately, accused Hillary Clinton of supporting open borders. As we wrote then, Clinton supported the 2013 Senate immigration bill, the so-called Gang of Eight bill, which in addition to providing a path to earned citizenship for those then in the country illegally, would have included significant investments in border security. The bill would have doubled the number of border patrol agents along the Mexican border, added 350 miles of new fencing, and added a host of security and technologies to prevent illegal immigration.

In fact, every Democrat in the Senate voted for the bill. Sen. Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader in the Senate, cited that bill in a tweet responding to Trump’s repeated claims about Democratic support for open borders.

Democrats have opposed Trump’s plan for about 350 additional miles of border wall along the Southern border, saying it would be an ineffective waste of money, and they have opposed some of the president’s efforts to restrict legal immigration. But they have not called for abandoning border enforcement. In fact, the Democratic National Committee’s stated goal is legislation that includes a provision that “improves border security, prioritizes enforcement so we are targeting criminals.”

Responding to the president’s claims about Democrats supporting open borders, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said, “No, we do care about the border. We care about protecting our country, but we don’t think we need to protect the border by putting children in cages. We want to be smart and strong not reckless, rash and ruthless in this case.”

Democrats threw their support behind a bill that would have provided a path to citizenship for so-called Dreamers, but that also sought to “deploy the most practical and effective technology available in order to achieve situational awareness and operational control along the U.S. border” as well as to provide $110 million in grants annually for various border security activities. The bill failed in the Senate.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/07/calls-to-abolish-ice-not-open-borders/

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vientomas posted:

[vientomas]

There were 12 million immigrants living in the country illegally as of January 2015, according to the most recent estimate from the Department of Homeland Security. The estimates from two independent groups are similar: The Pew Research Center estimates the number at 10.7 million in 2016, and the Center for Migration Studies says there were 10.8 million people in 2016 living in the U.S. illegally.

That would be about 3.3 percent to 3.7 percent of the total U.S. population in 2016 or 2015.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/

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[mrgybe]

CB, I am probably the only contributor here who has been through the US immigration system to obtain a green card and then citizenship. It is a long and tedious process, but not unreasonable. If 12 million citizens of my country of birth were here illegally, I would be furious and vigorously support their removal. Why should they ignore the law when so many have been through the proper channels and hundreds of thousand more are waiting in line? This constant drumbeat that it's only because they are brown people is nonsense. Most people don't care about their origin. Follow the law and you will be welcomed just as tens of millions of all colors have been over the history of this country.

BTW, I don't respond to questions where a yes or no answer is demanded unless the question is "Do you want fries with that?". It doesn't suggest a willingness to have a serious discussion about complex issues. However, you may wish to read this.........the Democrats own analysis.......which debunks your assertion that the 2016 election was about racial intolerance not the economy or an appalling choice of candidate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/05/01/why-did-trump-win-new-research-by-democrats-offers-a-worrisome-answer/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.19f134b81a47

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