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grantmac017



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:15 pm    Post subject: Multi fin selection for onshore Reply with quote

Currently using a 95L Quad LS (fairly flat rocker) for general blasting/side/onshore wave duties. I'm getting the feeling that I'm quite underfinned. Fast off the wind or down a wave but nearly zero back foot pressure and tends to spin easily. Moved the front strap and mast base back which helped but not 100%. Not a lot of room to move the fins either.
Standard MFC 350 fronts and 15.5cm K4 Flex rears.
I'm ~185# and mostly on 4.2-5.8

Considering a matched set of K4s in a stiffer and slightly larger size. Suggestions appreciated.

Thanks,
Grant
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dllee



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Onshore wind and windwaves require the biggest fin sets and lots of sailpower.
Two 15 rears should be too small for those conditions.
Tri fin setup is usually preferred for onshore winds.
10-12 front fins contribute very little to holding power while sailing straight.
Flex or stiff is personal and up for debate.
Bigger rears the first option.
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manuel



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had similar experience. Used 2x16 flexies with 11s, stock was 13+11.
It's too much with 4.5 but fine with 5.0.
I tried 16's alone but lost low-end drive and low-speed planing.

It's the best feeling on a wave. Old school single wave boards were better for onshore bump & jump because they had the control with some drive. Multi-fin lose drive over wave fun!

http://www.iwindsurf.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30545

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grantmac017



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe my fronts are only a 9cm when I measured, I'll recheck.

I've considered using it as a twin but we get quite a bit of chop and I'd like the security. A more powerful 16.5-17 set of rears might play well with the fronts or perhaps as twins.
I can grind upwind planing with the rail which is I believe not an unusual technique for a quad, but I'd definitely like some speed upwind.
If I order from K4 (likely) there are a lot of options which are difficultto chose from. Also a set of larger asymmetrical fronts would be an cheap experiment.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Kode wave twin, I run 2x16.5. Zero issues. It shows that some boards have more natural drive and willing to keep going even at slower speeds.

On the quad lowering the front killed the drive and 16x8 didn't work. But it may not be the case for your board. Check forums for your specific boards and sail size.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The super stiff versions.
Leon and Scorcher

https://www.k4fins.com/fin-guide/

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grantmac017



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

U2U2U2 wrote:
The super stiff versions.
Leon and Scorcher

https://www.k4fins.com/fin-guide/


According to K4 those are really different fins. Leon being very loose and easy to slide, Scorcher kind of the opposite.

The question is which will be the most accessible? And what fronts to pair with them?
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isobars



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sail in onshore conditions 100% of the time, and the OP's experience with his quad mimicked my trial on one. Demoed a tri, absolutely loved it, and quickly bought three sizes of them. The quad shaper and Big Winds' WSing experts told me quads and tris are very different animals, requiring very different techniques. The Big Winds guys asked whether I really wanted to learn how to sail again, to which my answer was, "Hell, no. I don't want to have to look down to see which board I'm on every time I want to point, jibe, or slash."
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is about sailing quads in onshore conditions, not tris in the Gorge (which isn't onshore wave).
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless, of who says what for why, fact remains a bigger rear is needed, stiff or medium depending on preference.
Sides on a quad help add a pivot point, similar to wings and curve spots.
Placement of fins in quad usually forbid use of only bigger rear fins, so 4 is needed to match the outline, rocket, thickness flow, and strap placement.
Style and body weight has huge bearings on fin setup needed. Nobody can really judge exard.actly which fin is needed.
Experimentation and experience is the final factors.
That's exactly why lots of sailor choose a tri or single fin bo
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