Anti-pose ordinance for watersports access & parking

westender · Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 1288 Location: Portland / Gorge

Any more than about 12 cars shuts down the places I know of so if you have plans of coming to get some keep that in mind. FYI U2 I've had to deal with more than my share of bodies.

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

a123 · Joined: 17 May 2008 Posts: 10

"Never heard of any city (?) or state suggesting to free violent criminals. Please quote your reference"

As far as non-violent offenders being released there is a direct correlation with non-violent crime. I work for a large builder (5th largest in the US) and most of our sites that have had very little problems in the past have been getting robbed with finished houses getting entire appliance packages stolen. Cabinet packages stolen, A/C units stolen. I don't think these criminals decided to all of the sudden stay home and stay away from crime.

More inmates released=more crime.
If inmates are in prison they probably can't spread covid outside the walls.
Just sayin

U2U2U2 · Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:56 pm Post subject:

Ahh, did you fat finger something , cause this on here makes zero sense?
Course maybe I missed something.

a123 · Joined: 17 May 2008 Posts: 10

My interpretation of the post was that non-violent offenders were better off released than violent offenders being released. I am arguing that neither should be released right now. If I am wrong about my interpretation than I do apologize.

U2U2U2 · Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:16 pm Post subject:

biffmalibu · Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 556

Rock Creek/Mosier is for locals only (those living in the 97040 area code) now, by decree of the City of Mosier.

This is due to being overrun recently (today 4/21; Westender predicted this; there were about 15 vehicles parked outside the gate today.), no masks (except for me), and no 6' spacing (obviously; check the "selfie" photo).

This locals only decree is a good thing; it's a very small beach, with bottlenecks, and nonresident aliens obviously do not care enough to modify behavior via masks and spacing. And there are old people and others who are at high risk for infection who live in Mosier. Respect the residents of Mosier! Would you want this to happen in YOUR town?

The governor of Michigan and the mayor of Detroit are examples of good strong leaders (as opposed to demagogues, which are poor and ultimately weak). They are fine examples of good leadership during these times. So is Kate Brown. By the current tallies of injury and death, we are doing relatively well in Oregon, and we should continue to do well with patience and fortitude.

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

isobans · Joined: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 82

mac · Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:04 pm Post subject:

I’m not sure if it is funny or sad that Mike Fick has hijacked yet another thread, and brags about “kill filing“—that is, not reading—another group of commentators. There is still much we don’t know about this virus and how it plays out, but Mike won’t figure it out with the sites he frequents and the sources he censors.

Some models indicate that if we had moved to social distancing 2 weeks earlier we might have saved 90% of the lives that have been lost. One week, we might have saved 60% of the lives that have been lost. This is the biggest event in our history since World War II—it has already killed more people than the Vietnam War. We are getting just the tiniest taste of what war in your country is like.

Now to launch sites. I have spent about 30 years protecting and improving access in the Bay Area. I sailed today, and have more days this year than last year at this time. But I also understand that all bets are off in an emergency. Any governmental agency can decide to protect their workers, or that they can’t enforce social distancing and don’t want to be liable for someone that sues them because they think they contracted the virus at a park. Or merely that they can’t clean the bathrooms or collect entrance fees. Mike is dead wrong about his claims—the powers of government in an emergency are vast, and these restrictions do not violate anyone’s rights. At 50,000 deaths and rising there is no doubt that this is an emergency—notwithstanding iso’s dismissals of it as no worse than the flu.

Many of the Bay area sites are closed, despite the Constitutional provisions that guarantee access to the water. Working with parks departments, and ensuring social distancing through peer pressure is our best bet to minimize the damage. Unfortunately, Mike’s been yelling at everyone he sees for decades. It doesn’t help.

Be well. Get exercise where you can.