Big Gov/Tech/Pharma are feeding us harmful medical BS

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

Hear, hear. Regarding "carrying water" ... the left makes no distinction between parroting someone else's opinions or proven facts and personally advocating for said opinions and facts. Even parroting both sides of an issue is carrying water and is somehow a license to attack. It has nothing to do with you or me and everything to do with them, whether it's AGW, Covid, windsurfing, or an individual politician.

GURGLETROUSERS · Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Posts: 2643

It's clearly a waste of effort when conspiracy people deliberately misrepresent what is claimed, but facts speak for themselves.

We KNOW that being vaccinated will not prevent us from infection, though it can partially delay it, as has already been explained on the other thread. What being fully vaccinated (three shots) WILL/DOES do is radically limit the seriousness of infection, especially from the most dangerous DELTA (still circulating) variant. it is pure deceit to attempt to disparage vaccination on the grounds that it is less effective against the far less serious OMICRON variant. (That is still being tweaked.)

The vast majority of seriously ill and dying patients in hospital, often from the more dangerous DELTA virus are UNVACCINATED! FACT! (How many times must this be restated?)

All this conspiracy stuff , and 'Happens to be the deadliest in history' (whatever the hell you are talking about) is irrelevant compared to the readily available facts of Covid deaths (Here in the U.K.) Just one factual statistic - Overall deaths from Covid 19 between 1 January and 31 October 2021 was 96% lower in people who had received two doses of vaccine. That was BEFORE the booster jab had become widespread, which has now saved many more, especially in the elderly age group.

You cling to your conspiracy nonsense (We will all die of heart attacks this year) while the rest of us fully vaccinated sheep look forward to the future.

Over and out on the subject.

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Does isobars have a new buddy in mlaronde? Maybe in turn for carrying water on his anti-vaxx thing, he will jump aboard his bandwagon and provide needed backup and support. With mlaronde's earlier "girlie pants" comment, it could that he shares similar views regarding President Obama.

Then again, maybe mlaronde will stick tight to his anti-vaxx thing...

MikeLaRonde · Joined: 11 Jun 2001 Posts: 768

Here's a visual for anyone who doesn't understand why this is easily going to be the deadliest medicine in history. It already is for "vaccines", by orders of magnitude. For now, I'm guessing the drugs AZT and maybe even Remdesivir are still deadlier among all medications.

This is a graph of deaths actually reported to the USA VAERS system, under penalty of perjury, representing total deaths for all vaccines by year. It very easy to reproduce this data using the VAERS data portal so kindly provided to us by the CDC. This graph is slightly out of date, and the number, including foreign reports, is now over 20K. The number of reports from inside the USA is just about 10K.

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Could it be that folks died of Covid and not the vaccine? Since Covid vaccinations aren't a 100% protection against the disease, it's not surprising that some vaccinated folks died of Covid, particularly if they may have had other serious conditions affecting their health.

Under the circumstances ending with death, the vaccinated folks are numerically doing much better than the unvaccinated. More importantly, think about the vaccinated millions that are safely dodging Covid infection entirely or with minimal complications.

MikeLaRonde · Joined: 11 Jun 2001 Posts: 768

wsurfer · Joined: 17 Aug 2000 Posts: 1635

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

All very interesting, but here is the way I see it.

1. No vaccination = risk of covid (21%) and possibly death for a small percentage (.26%).

2. Get vaccinated with all three shots = a possibility of an adverse reaction and for a very, very small percentage, death. But, the chances of a bad case of covid or death from covid is greatly reduced compared to the unvaccinated.

3. My logical deduction is that the risk of an adverse or deadly reaction from the vaccination is FAR less than catching covid and possibly dying from the virus.

4. Every medical treatment or vaccination has risks, but with due diligence, consumers can judge when treatments (or the type of treatment) offer advantages over non treatments.

However, it’s reasonable to be a skeptic when the government is selling covid vaccinations because I believe that they do not share all the data regarding the potential negatives, or if they do, they under sell it so as not to discourage the minions from choosing vaccination.

vientomas · Joined: 25 Apr 2000 Posts: 2343

Do you have any objective data to support your belief? If not, you know what opinions are like...everybody has one!

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

techno900, it seems that you are leaving an important concern out of your comments. How do we view and treat those that refuse to be vaccinated. Do you favor protective restrictions, and do you feel that mandatory testing should be required in employment, schooling and societal activities for the unvaccinated? Also, regarding restrictions, they could be governmental or private in origin. Would government (federal, state or local) restrictions be acceptable?