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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a solution...I've articulated it here, but its long term.
Its hilarious that you are the protectionist, who supports Tom Friedman, and I am the free market capitalist...

Please illustrate a period in history, post -WWII where tariffs worked for the US.... You used the term dead wrong, now please support tariffs with some evidence that they worked.... BTW- since the tariffs on China(july 2018) went into effect , our trade deficit with them has INCREASED!!!!!

Matty, supporting taxes on America's companies is a losing hand. But I'm enjoying watching you eat the peanuts out of Trump's $h!t... keep it up sport...


Mexico....they are now highly active in helping protect our border thanks to Trumps threats to impose tariffs...


OMG...you are nuts.
Again....please illustrate a period in history when a tariff imposed on a country had a beneficial economic outcome for the United States

Matty, there's no point in debating this anymore. We disagree on the merits of the punitive tax on American business', better known as a tariff. I am biased , it has a big impact on my business and makes my job harder....
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boggsman1 wrote:
mat-ty wrote:
boggsman1 wrote:
I have a solution...I've articulated it here, but its long term.
Its hilarious that you are the protectionist, who supports Tom Friedman, and I am the free market capitalist...

Please illustrate a period in history, post -WWII where tariffs worked for the US.... You used the term dead wrong, now please support tariffs with some evidence that they worked.... BTW- since the tariffs on China(july 2018) went into effect , our trade deficit with them has INCREASED!!!!!

Matty, supporting taxes on America's companies is a losing hand. But I'm enjoying watching you eat the peanuts out of Trump's $h!t... keep it up sport...


Mexico....they are now highly active in helping protect our border thanks to Trumps threats to impose tariffs...


OMG...you are nuts.
Again....please illustrate a period in history when a tariff imposed on a country had a beneficial economic outcome for the United States

Matty, there's no point in debating this anymore. We disagree on the merits of the punitive tax on American business', better known as a tariff. I am biased , it has a big impact on my business and makes my job harder....



Try sticking your head outside the liberal bubble once in a while...you might realize who ill-informed you are


The threat of tariffs worked here, Mexico signed two days before they took effect....


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-could-decide-over-the-weekend-to-hold-off-on-tariffs-white-house-official-says/2019/06/07/6adb7d86-892d-11e9-98c1-e945ae5db8fb_story.html?noredirect=on
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude....tariffs ARE a liberal tool!!! Labor Unions have long lobbied Democrats to counter cheap labor outside the US, with TARIFFS! Give me ONE example of how tariffs worked ECONOMICALLY when utilized ... BTW, Mexico had already agreed to up their efforts on the border. Taxing GM had nothing to do with it.... Stay on topic and give me a good argument as to why taxing our great companies is good economics....
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a president bulling a 16 year old..... wow how the media, vp, and illegal porn star melania and the right when it was trumps kid...

again this is a child with Aspergers syndrome too. .

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/will-vp-pence-melania-trump-be-outraged-by-thunberg-tweet-74968645795?cid=referral_taboolafeed

Will VP Pence, Melania Trump be outraged by Thunberg tweet?

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Will VP Pence and First Lady Melania Trump be as publicly outraged over Trump's mocking of Greta Thunberg as they were when a professor mentioned Trump's son?


https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/trump-mocks-time-s-person-of-the-year-on-twitter-74964549915

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When a professor made mention of Trump's son, Barron, during a recent hearing, the first lady chided her on Twitter for the mention of a minor. Yet the president publicly mocked a minor on Thursday, climate activist Greta Thunberg.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/white-house-s-mulvaney-acknowledges-gop-s-deficit-hypocrisy-n1139756?cid=eml_mra_20200220

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.White House's Mulvaney acknowledges GOP's deficit hypocrisy
Mulvaney said the GOP is only interested in deficits "when there is a Democrat in the White House." True, but Mulvaney himself is part of the problem.


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It doesn't happen often, but every once in a while, a prominent Republican will acknowledge that the GOP only seems to care about the deficit when there's a Democrat in the Oval Office. For example, the Washington Post obtained an audio recording of acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney making just such a concession yesterday.

"My party is very interested in deficits when there is a Democrat in the White House. The worst thing in the whole world is deficits when Barack Obama was the president. Then Donald Trump became president, and we're a lot less interested as a party," Mulvaney said at the Oxford Union to a group of several hundred people.

It's encouraging, at least to a degree, when hypocrites publicly acknowledge their own hypocrisy. But I'm not sure Mulvaney fully appreciates the fact that it's not just his party that's been inconsistent, it's Mulvaney himself.

The White House chief told Politico a few years ago that he got involved in politics in part because he disapproved of the Bush/Cheney administration's big budget deficits. After getting elected to Congress, the South Carolina Republican declared, "Anybody who is up to speed on budget issues should be scared to death by what's happening with the debt and the deficit in this country. If you're not losing sleep over it, then you're simply not paying attention."

It was rhetoric like this that helped Mulvaney get on Trump's radar. "Right now, we are nearly $20 trillion in debt," the president-elect said in December 2016, "but Mick is a very high-energy leader with deep convictions for how to responsibly manage our nation's finances and save our country from drowning in red ink."

Soon after, Trump and Mulvaney quickly proceeded to add $3 trillion to the $20 trillion debt in just three years. At the time, Mulvaney publicly endorsed larger deficits, while privately telling GOP officials that "nobody cares" about the annual budget shortfall anymore.

It's against this backdrop that Mulvaney said yesterday, "My party is very interested in deficits when there is a Democrat in the White House." That's true, though there's one specific member of Mulvaney's party that appears to have some explaining to do.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The White House claims that since Trump's election, "nearly 7 million Americans have been lifted off of food stamps." If true, is it because they are now earning enough not to need food stamps or because they were kicked off the program?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-delivered-record-breaking-results-american-people-first-three-years-office/
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The White House claims that since Trump's election, "nearly 7 million Americans have been lifted off of food stamps." If true, is it because they are now earning enough not to need food stamps or because they were kicked off the program?

I was ‘lifted off food stamps’ back in November 2019 (my final benefit month was October), just ahead of Trump’s announcement that his rule change would remove approximately 700000 people from SNAP eligibility.

Ahead of that change, my state decided to decrease the eligible deductions one has when determining SNAP eligibility, thereby effectively giving applicants greater ‘discretionary income’, increasing the amount of money they have to spend for food when calculating how much they can receive in SNAP.

Since my income, though disabled, isn’t derived from Social Security Disability (SSDI), I fall into that catch-all category of ‘able-bodied adults without dependents’ since I was required to recertify every three months, just like persons who have to undergo recertification to demonstrate they are working, in school, or otherwise meet the requirements to receive SNAP benefits more often than the federal maximum of three months every three years.

Yeah, $15 a month in SNAP isn’t a whole lot to lose in the grand scheme, but when your income is only $771 a month in the first place ($783 beginning Feb 1 due to COLA adjustment), it is still a major loss of income, especially as prices for food continue to rise.

If that can happen to me with as little income as I have, I can certainly see it happening to others as well, both better and worse off than I am. To Trump, it is all a numbers game without any regard to the economic reality those who have a limited fixed income subsist on.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manchin, Republicans find new disdain for mean tweets in assessing Tanden nomination
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Rachel Maddow notes that Senator Joe Manchin as well as a number of Republican senators didn't seem to have much trouble with the odious Twitter conduct of Richard Grenell when they voted to confirm him as Donald Trump's ambassador to Germany, but when it comes to President Joe Biden's OMB nominee, Neera Tanden, they've suddenly found a new standard for acceptable tweeting.


https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/manchin-republicans-find-new-disdain-for-mean-tweets-in-assessing-tanden-nomination-101437509848?cid=eml_mra_20210223

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sen Cruz voted for a trump appointee who was not a MD but now says Bidens is not qualified because he is not a doctor.

and Barr does the same with national security.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/republican-bad-faith-seen-in-hollow-objections-to-biden-hhs-nominee-becerra-101498949763?cid=eml_mra_20210224


Republican bad faith seen in hollow objections to Biden HHS nominee Becerra


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Rachel Maddow points out how inconsistent Republican objections to President Biden's nominee for HHS secretary, Xavier Becerra, are with their past support for a Republican president's nominees.
Feb. 23, 2021

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