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manuel



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All excellent advises! One thing that I'm super guilty not doing is get used to sail fast. By sailing fast we naturally get through lulls more easily. Try deep downwind angles, foot to the floor!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

today was exactly the scenario i was talking about.

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konajoe



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice for planing through lulls? Reply with quote

mmclimbhigh wrote:
With regard to blasting through the lulls, I've been focusing on bearing off the wind, keeping the sail sheeted in and the board flat. But I often find myself stalling out and dropping off the plane.

Any other recommendations out there for planing through the holes?


Sorry, this is going to be long. You really have to define a lull.

Experienced racers going to a downwind mark in planing conditions will bear off in the gusts and come up in the lulls IF, and this is a HUGE IF, their years of experience tells them that there is enough wind to continue planing if they expend the energy to do so. If your experience suggests that you won't be able to maintain a plane by heading up, hold your course, keep everything steady and still, pay attention to sail trim, and start looking up wind for a puff that will get you going again. Head up to meet that wind.

Racing upwind in planing conditions is the same, but opposite. Up in the gusts and down in the lulls, as long as your experience has taught you that you will be able to maintain a plane even after spending the energy to change course. Otherwise, steady as she goes.

Mowing the lawn is a crapshoot on heading up, bearing off, or holding your course. But any course change should only be done if you're pretty sure that you'll be able to stay on a plane. Otherwise, steady, sail trim, gently transfer weight to front foot.

The vector math will tell you that keeping sheeted in as you bear off or slow down is not the right thing to be doing.
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boardsurfr



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Advice for planing through lulls? Reply with quote

konajoe wrote:

The vector math will tell you that keeping sheeted in as you bear off or slow down is not the right thing to be doing.

Unless you're on an AC75, going deep downwind and 3x to 4x the speed of the wind. Amazing how sheeted in they are all the time!
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dvCali



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dllee wrote:
When wind drops, change of course is needed.
When wind changes direction, change of course is needed.
So when wind drops, and wind changes direction, do you hold the same course?

hum ... we are getting close to the Delphic Oracle style!!!!! Very Happy

You change direction when the wind changes according to ... where you want to go. For example, if the wind increases and you are going toward a buoy or an upwind destination, you are a lucky guy and can point more upwind. But if you are already in the right direction to clear the buoy you take advantage of the change by keeping the same direction and gain speed.

The exceptions are when the wind change takes you in a dead spot. For example, if you are tight upwind and the wind slows you have to bear away ... unless you want to find yourself with the (apparent) wind in your face. Shocked
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dllee



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude....originally post SAID as you enter the lull, you also get HEADED.
Read that again.
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westender



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the best advice was dllee, maybe was on another thread?? Get your weight to 150. That's the ticket. " He doesn't weigh much" It's like a broken record.
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dllee



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, there are lots of heavier than me sailors who use smaller boards, sails, and fins.....yet go faster and plane thru lulls better. Every single one were former small boat sailors who switched to ws.
The famous Yogi weight almost 190. Smaller board, sail, and fin.
Sailors in Marin knew him, but he didn't sail too many other spots.
Yes, 150 in 1986.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and tons of lighter weight sailors...than me...need bigger boards, sails, and fins than I need and most go slower.
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konajoe



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A drop in wind speed isn't a header, but it appears that way to the sail. A header is a change in true wind direction.
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