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GURGLETROUSERS · Joined: 30 Dec 2009 Posts: 2643

I agree with Craig. (I started three attempts to answer but felt it was non of my business.

Th add one further point, people are sometimes forced into a position where they feel they have little choice but to vote for what they see as the lesser of two evils. As an example, in our last U.K. election, very many Labour (normal left wing lifetime voters) were faced with a complete takeover of their Labour party by an extreme hard left group led by Corbin who were determined to destroy and reshape the whole of society. That party was soundly rejected and suffered a crushing defeat. Those who had voted Labour all their lives, held their noses and actually voted for the hated Tory opposition.

As many of them explained afterwards, Corbin and his band of hard left zealots were seen by them as actually hating Britain, and all the values it stood for. That w2as too far removed from Labour values and patriotism and love of country. They voted Conservative, however distastefully.

Zealots, never ever learn to face reality.

mrgybe · Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 5180

I agree with you GT, and to a lesser extent, Craig. The disparaging comments of several posters here reflect more on their intelligence than that of their targets. In this country we have been faced with awful choices at the last two elections. Trump was elected, in part, not because of some nationwide revolutionary surge, but rather because in the minds of millions, Clinton was worse. The same thing happened at the last election.

I do take issue with the characterization of those opposed to abortion being "zealots" or "obsessive". If one believes that a child in the womb is a human life the it is neither zealotry nor obsessive to oppose the taking of that life, particularly on a whim, or for mere convenience. Same for euthanasia.

capetonian · Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 1197 Location: Florida

the government shouldn’t stick their nose in deeply personal decisions.

https://www.facebook.com/scroesel/posts/10156981098477614

mac · Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:14 am Post subject:

SAS · Joined: 18 Feb 1997 Posts: 177 Location: planet earth

What I fail to understand is how so many who are anti-choice are pro-war and pro death penalty.

cgoudie1 · Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:01 pm Post subject:

Let me clarify (my own position as well as what I intended to convey) I
don't support abortion. I'm also a fan of religion if it improves your life, and
I am a believer. What I suggested (because Florian asked) was that
I have interacted with some very Religious Right people who's overarching
issue is abortion, and they would vote for the guy who doesn't advocate
for abortion, no matter what that candidate's other issues (or beliefs) might
be. The issue doesn't have to be Abortion, it could be the amount of real
cheese required to call your product cheese (though that's not typical of
Religious Right voters). All those who object to abortion are not obsessive
and I neither said nor implied that (but issues like abortion bring that out
in some people). Personally I think you'd need to live
in that moment to make such a hard decision. I will say that having
children changed my perspective substantially on the matter.

Hopefully that makes my perspective more clear.

-Craig

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

Judging someone's intelligence in this scenario seems to depend on what side of the fence they are on. Some of us were smart enough to recognize that Donald Trump was inherently unfit to be president, and sadly, he ultimately proved it. Anyone, even someone so deeply hated like Hillary Clinton, would have been would have made a better president than a dishonest person like Trump. Of course, Clinton was not able to prove how she would have run the country, but Trump did, and that's why he soundly lost his reelection bid.

I have to agree with Craig, in that some folks will often ignore practical reality and throw everything off the cliff for their one or two driving issues, like abortion and euthanasia. Seemingly one here hates and demeans Joe Biden, a Catholic like he is, just because Biden is willing to recognize a woman's right to freedom of choice over his religion. In my view, that makes Biden a true American that recognizes the separation of church and state in our country.

cgoudie1 · Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:10 pm Post subject:

Criminal or not I must say, I enjoy not having to listen to daily new scandals
associated with the current admin. I think that was a distraction which cost
resources the previous admin could have used to address more important
issues.

-Craig

mac · Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:07 pm Post subject:

cgoudie1 · Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:47 pm Post subject:

I don't particularly disagree with most of your 1st paragraph.

I don't have a lot of objection to your second paragraph (see my opinions
on what made most people vote for Trump in the 1st entry I made). Trump
is in my opinion a symptom of a larger problem.

I try not to sit in judgement of other people. To me that seems a little
…...zealous.

-Craig