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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2021 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nw30 wrote:
Every once in a great while Biden lets the truth out, it wasn't that long ago he said "dark days are ahead", boy was he right about that, in so many ways, he's building a long crisis list, illegal immigration just being one of many.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is clear that the GOP intends to run on immigration in the midterms. It is also clear that it galvanizes a certain part of the base.

Most of the current conservatives have no idea that the loopholes in the last major immigration bill were put there by Ronald Reagan, to provide continued cheap labor for agriculture, and by the way, to bust the farmers union. Those same loopholes have been used by the hospitality and meat packing industry to undercut unions and union wages. Most of the undocumented work in those three sectors. The other sector of immigration that gets the right's panties in a twist is asylum. Of course that is legal immigration; it stems from a UN convention in 1951. https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/1951-refugee-convention.html The US implemented this convention with the 1980 Refugee Act. https://www.archivesfoundation.org/documents/refugee-act-1980/

I am sure that none of the panicky old white boys on this forum have read any of the underlying material that establishes a legal framework for controlled immigration.

So this article is a pretty interesting update on the current status of farm labor.

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Rural population losses add to farm and ranch labor shortage
By GRANT SCHULTE and DAVID PITT
August 15, 2021
FILE - In this Dec. 12, 2019, file photo workers process chickens at the Lincoln Premium Poultry plant, Costco Wholesale's dedicated poultry supplier, in Fremont, Neb. Rural America continued to lose population in the latest U.S. Census numbers, highlighting an already severe worker shortage in those areas and prompting calls from farm and ranching groups for immigration reform to help alleviate the problem. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik, File)
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FILE - In this Dec. 12, 2019, file photo workers process chickens at the Lincoln Premium Poultry plant, Costco Wholesale's dedicated poultry supplier, in Fremont, Neb. Rural America continued to lose population in the latest U.S. Census numbers, highlighting an already severe worker shortage in those areas and prompting calls from farm and ranching groups for immigration reform to help alleviate the problem. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik, File)
OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — Rural America lost more population in the latest census, highlighting an already severe worker shortage in the nation’s farming and ranching regions and drawing calls from those industries for immigration reform to help ease the problem.

The census data released last week showed that population gains in many rural areas were driven by increases in Hispanic and Latino residents, many of whom come as immigrants to work on farms or in meatpacking plants or to start their own businesses.

“We’ve struggled on this issue for a long time to try to come up with a more reasonable, common-sense approach,” said John Hansen, president of the Nebraska Farmers Union, which is part of a group lobbying Congress for new immigration laws. Vilifying immigrants “just makes it harder to get there.”

The population trend is clear in Nebraska, where only 24 of the state’s 93 counties gained residents. Of those 24, just eight reported an increase in the white population, suggesting that most of the growth was driven by minorities, said David Drozd, a research coordinator for the University of Nebraska Omaha’s Center for Public Affairs Research.

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Drozd crunched the census data and found that Nebraska counties with the greatest racial diversity are a “who’s who of where the meatpacking plants are,” even though many plants are in rural areas that are often perceived as mostly white.

“In the rural areas, if you didn’t have the Latino growth, employers would be struggling even more just to fill those positions,” Drozd said.

CENSUS 2020
Rural population losses add to farm and ranch labor shortage
Census data puts target on rural, Rust Belt House districts
Multiracial boom reflects US racial, ethnic complexity
Missouri's 1st, 2nd Districts could be redistricting targets
In New Mexico, populations declined across 20 rural counties that stretch from the Great Plains at Oklahoma to the U.S. border with Mexico. Desperate for laborers for its annual chile harvest, the state this week pledged up to $5 million in federal pandemic relief to subsidize wages for pickers and workers at chile-processing plants — boosting available wages as high as $19.50 an hour.

Some Republican state legislators blamed the labor scarcity on supplemental unemployment benefits, which they say create a disincentive to work because they pay more than some low-wage jobs. Democrats see a persistent labor crisis.

The New Mexico Chile Association trade group says the industry is short about 1,350 seasonal laborers of the 3,000 workers needed.

The problem is just as bad for poultry farmers in North Carolina, where meat processors help power the economies of many rural counties. Half of the state’s 100 counties have lost residents since 2010, the census data showed.

Bob Ford, executive director of the North Carolina Poultry Federation, predicted that labor shortages at poultry plants will only worsen as people continue to leave rural communities and migrant workers gravitate to other industries, such as building and construction.

He said higher pay for workers and better health care and housing benefits could help alleviate widespread labor shortages, but broader changes to immigration policy are probably the best solution.


The National Pork Producers Council is pushing federal lawmakers to change the H-2A visa program so that migrant workers can remain employed longer.

Bladen County, North Carolina, is home to the world’s largest pig slaughterhouse, Smithfield Foods’ Tar Heel plant. Between 2010 and 2020, the county’s population dropped by 15.9%. Bertie County, which is home to a large Perdue Farms poultry processing facility, saw a population decrease of 15.7%.

In Kansas, some rural Republicans say Congress needs to find a practical solution.

Nancy Weeks, secretary of the Haskell County Republican Party in southwestern Kansas, said if immigrants living in the United States illegally want to move to the area and work, they should be provided a way to gain legal status “so that they pay taxes like I do.”

“I don’t have a problem with them coming here as long as they get legal,” Weeks said. “It’s the ones that don’t get legal that I have a problem with.”

The challenge is exacerbated in Midwestern states that already have many of the nation’s lowest unemployment rates, said Al Juhnke, executive director of the Nebraska Pork Producers Association. Juhnke said his group would like to see changes that would allow seasonal immigrant workers to stay in the country longer.

“These folks buy houses. They bring their families. They go to our churches. They earn money and spend it locally,” he said. “It’s really a win-win-win for these communities.”

In Iowa, Latino leaders eagerly awaited the census numbers in hopes that they would show population growth that would translate into more political clout for their communities and better conditions in the food production and construction industries.

Republican politicians often try to tie reforms at the U.S.-Mexican border to pathways to citizenship for workers already here, said Joe Henry, political director for the League of United Latin American Citizens local council in Des Moines. But Henry said the two issues need to be separated, and agricultural companies understand that they cannot survive without immigrants.

“They know they need that labor,” he said.

Rachel Gantz, a spokeswoman for the National Pork Producers Council, said her group will continue to press Congress for changes.

“Simply put, pork producers are drawing from a rapidly diminishing pool of applicants,” she said. “Our producers fear — and the recent census data suggests — that this trend is unlikely to change anytime soon.”

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Pitt reported from in West Des Moines, Iowa. Associated Press writers Morgan Lee in Santa Fe, New Mexico; Bryan Anderson in Raleigh, North Carolina; and Andrew Field in Topeka, Kansas, contributed to this report.

___



As I see it, we can either increase pay for agriculture, hotel maids, and food packing and see more of those jobs go to unemployed citizens. Or we can keep the pay rate low--understanding that it is the corporate draw for undocumented immigration. We can't have it both ways.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
It is clear that the GOP intends to run on immigration in the midterms. It is also clear that it galvanizes a certain part of the base.

Most of the current conservatives have no idea that the loopholes in the last major immigration bill were put there by Ronald Reagan, to provide continued cheap labor for agriculture, and by the way, to bust the farmers union. Those same loopholes have been used by the hospitality and meat packing industry to undercut unions and union wages. Most of the undocumented work in those three sectors. The other sector of immigration that gets the right's panties in a twist is asylum. Of course that is legal immigration; it stems from a UN convention in 1951. https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/1951-refugee-convention.html The US implemented this convention with the 1980 Refugee Act. https://www.archivesfoundation.org/documents/refugee-act-1980/

I am sure that none of the panicky old white boys on this forum have read any of the underlying material that establishes a legal framework for controlled immigration.

So this article is a pretty interesting update on the current status of farm labor.

Quote:
https://apnews.com/article/census-2020-farm-ranch-labor-business-83107b136c2c92b6c4b7830b12f5bd96
Click to copy
RELATED TOPICS
Business
Immigration
Race and ethnicity
Nebraska
Census 2020
Hispanics
Omaha
Rural population losses add to farm and ranch labor shortage
By GRANT SCHULTE and DAVID PITT
August 15, 2021
FILE - In this Dec. 12, 2019, file photo workers process chickens at the Lincoln Premium Poultry plant, Costco Wholesale's dedicated poultry supplier, in Fremont, Neb. Rural America continued to lose population in the latest U.S. Census numbers, highlighting an already severe worker shortage in those areas and prompting calls from farm and ranching groups for immigration reform to help alleviate the problem. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik, File)
1 of 4
FILE - In this Dec. 12, 2019, file photo workers process chickens at the Lincoln Premium Poultry plant, Costco Wholesale's dedicated poultry supplier, in Fremont, Neb. Rural America continued to lose population in the latest U.S. Census numbers, highlighting an already severe worker shortage in those areas and prompting calls from farm and ranching groups for immigration reform to help alleviate the problem. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik, File)
OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — Rural America lost more population in the latest census, highlighting an already severe worker shortage in the nation’s farming and ranching regions and drawing calls from those industries for immigration reform to help ease the problem.

The census data released last week showed that population gains in many rural areas were driven by increases in Hispanic and Latino residents, many of whom come as immigrants to work on farms or in meatpacking plants or to start their own businesses.

“We’ve struggled on this issue for a long time to try to come up with a more reasonable, common-sense approach,” said John Hansen, president of the Nebraska Farmers Union, which is part of a group lobbying Congress for new immigration laws. Vilifying immigrants “just makes it harder to get there.”

The population trend is clear in Nebraska, where only 24 of the state’s 93 counties gained residents. Of those 24, just eight reported an increase in the white population, suggesting that most of the growth was driven by minorities, said David Drozd, a research coordinator for the University of Nebraska Omaha’s Center for Public Affairs Research.

ADVERTISEMENT

Drozd crunched the census data and found that Nebraska counties with the greatest racial diversity are a “who’s who of where the meatpacking plants are,” even though many plants are in rural areas that are often perceived as mostly white.

“In the rural areas, if you didn’t have the Latino growth, employers would be struggling even more just to fill those positions,” Drozd said.

CENSUS 2020
Rural population losses add to farm and ranch labor shortage
Census data puts target on rural, Rust Belt House districts
Multiracial boom reflects US racial, ethnic complexity
Missouri's 1st, 2nd Districts could be redistricting targets
In New Mexico, populations declined across 20 rural counties that stretch from the Great Plains at Oklahoma to the U.S. border with Mexico. Desperate for laborers for its annual chile harvest, the state this week pledged up to $5 million in federal pandemic relief to subsidize wages for pickers and workers at chile-processing plants — boosting available wages as high as $19.50 an hour.

Some Republican state legislators blamed the labor scarcity on supplemental unemployment benefits, which they say create a disincentive to work because they pay more than some low-wage jobs. Democrats see a persistent labor crisis.

The New Mexico Chile Association trade group says the industry is short about 1,350 seasonal laborers of the 3,000 workers needed.

The problem is just as bad for poultry farmers in North Carolina, where meat processors help power the economies of many rural counties. Half of the state’s 100 counties have lost residents since 2010, the census data showed.

Bob Ford, executive director of the North Carolina Poultry Federation, predicted that labor shortages at poultry plants will only worsen as people continue to leave rural communities and migrant workers gravitate to other industries, such as building and construction.

He said higher pay for workers and better health care and housing benefits could help alleviate widespread labor shortages, but broader changes to immigration policy are probably the best solution.


The National Pork Producers Council is pushing federal lawmakers to change the H-2A visa program so that migrant workers can remain employed longer.

Bladen County, North Carolina, is home to the world’s largest pig slaughterhouse, Smithfield Foods’ Tar Heel plant. Between 2010 and 2020, the county’s population dropped by 15.9%. Bertie County, which is home to a large Perdue Farms poultry processing facility, saw a population decrease of 15.7%.

In Kansas, some rural Republicans say Congress needs to find a practical solution.

Nancy Weeks, secretary of the Haskell County Republican Party in southwestern Kansas, said if immigrants living in the United States illegally want to move to the area and work, they should be provided a way to gain legal status “so that they pay taxes like I do.”

“I don’t have a problem with them coming here as long as they get legal,” Weeks said. “It’s the ones that don’t get legal that I have a problem with.”

The challenge is exacerbated in Midwestern states that already have many of the nation’s lowest unemployment rates, said Al Juhnke, executive director of the Nebraska Pork Producers Association. Juhnke said his group would like to see changes that would allow seasonal immigrant workers to stay in the country longer.

“These folks buy houses. They bring their families. They go to our churches. They earn money and spend it locally,” he said. “It’s really a win-win-win for these communities.”

In Iowa, Latino leaders eagerly awaited the census numbers in hopes that they would show population growth that would translate into more political clout for their communities and better conditions in the food production and construction industries.

Republican politicians often try to tie reforms at the U.S.-Mexican border to pathways to citizenship for workers already here, said Joe Henry, political director for the League of United Latin American Citizens local council in Des Moines. But Henry said the two issues need to be separated, and agricultural companies understand that they cannot survive without immigrants.

“They know they need that labor,” he said.

Rachel Gantz, a spokeswoman for the National Pork Producers Council, said her group will continue to press Congress for changes.

“Simply put, pork producers are drawing from a rapidly diminishing pool of applicants,” she said. “Our producers fear — and the recent census data suggests — that this trend is unlikely to change anytime soon.”

___

Pitt reported from in West Des Moines, Iowa. Associated Press writers Morgan Lee in Santa Fe, New Mexico; Bryan Anderson in Raleigh, North Carolina; and Andrew Field in Topeka, Kansas, contributed to this report.

___



As I see it, we can either increase pay for agriculture, hotel maids, and food packing and see more of those jobs go to unemployed citizens. Or we can keep the pay rate low--understanding that it is the corporate draw for undocumented immigration. We can't have it both ways.



So true! Those that come to do those jobs are not rapists, murderers, drug runners etc. as DLT has espoused!
They are normal hardworking people trying to make a honest living!

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/full-time-minimum-wage-workers-cant-afford-rent-anywhere-in-the-us.html
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gotta wonder whether the deep thinkers from the Left here even care that the federal government is censoring ... literally blocking via FAA drone restraining order -- network aerial video news of the mass illegal alien invasion at Del Rio, TX. The media have been using drones freely for seven months to record the invasion, but when it suddenly doubled to > 10,000 the last day or two just at Del Rio alone, the government you elected has shut down the coverage. Fox is fighting back, but I wonder whether the DNNs (you'll figure that out) will care any more than our local libtard contingent does.

BTW, this invasion is from Haiti, and is due not to political strife but to three simple, intertwined White House de facto edicts Biden now openly, in speeches and actions, supports: open borders, blanket amnesty, and free everything -- WAY more than cops, military, or legal citizens including YOU get. Long term taxpayer cost estimates from some qualified experts top $1,000,000,000,000.

Tell us, libs, what ROI the nation will get back from that? How will millions of uneducated, unskilled, often chronically ill, often violent, unidentified, ALL lawbreaking people improve the nation or even repay that trillion dollars? (Tip: being bribed to vote en masse for Democrats is not a valid answer.)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
I gotta wonder whether the deep thinkers from the Left here even care that the federal government is censoring ... literally blocking via FAA drone restraining order -- network aerial video news of the mass illegal alien invasion at Del Rio, TX. The media have been using drones freely for seven months to record the invasion, but when it suddenly doubled to > 10,000 the last day or two just at Del Rio alone, the government you elected has shut down the coverage. Fox is fighting back, but I wonder whether the DNNs (you'll figure that out) will care any more than our local libtard contingent does.

BTW, this invasion is from Haiti, and is due not to political strife but to three simple, intertwined White House de facto edicts Biden now openly, in speeches and actions, supports: open borders, blanket amnesty, and free everything -- WAY more than cops, military, or legal citizens including YOU get. Long term taxpayer cost estimates from some qualified experts top $1,000,000,000,000.

Tell us, libs, what ROI the nation will get back from that? How will millions of uneducated, unskilled, often chronically ill, often violent, unidentified, ALL lawbreaking people improve the nation or even repay that trillion dollars? (Tip: being bribed to vote en masse for Democrats is not a valid answer.)


I think Iso is Mike, Barbie, Wet-ty etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote:
the federal government is censoring ... literally blocking via FAA drone restraining order -- network aerial video news of the mass illegal alien invasion at Del Rio, TX. The media have been using drones freely for seven months to record the invasion, but when it suddenly doubled to > 10,000 the last day or two just at Del Rio alone, the government you elected has shut down the coverage. Fox is fighting back


Ya gotta laugh at Fox's solution: Ride-alongs on Border Patrol helicopters. The Haitian parade is stunning ... lines miles long of them (and who knows what brands and nationalities of bangers, cartel members, terrorists, etc.) strolling to and across the border (DRY!) to the tune of 4,000 by Wednesday, 11,000 by today/Friday, and likely doubling again immediately AT DEL RIO ALONE and repeated along the border because the line extends well down into Mexico and neither government is doing squat about it. Clearly the government you elected is infinitely more concerned in getting votes than in protecting your jobs, taxes, personal safety, and much more.

1% ... ONE PERCENT ... of them have Covid vaccinations, and they're marching, being bussed, and being flown into your home town with no vetting, accounting, isolation, obligations ... NOTHING ... to slow, stop, or deport them. This is what open borders and free everything gets you, fools: 200,000 and increasing illegal aliens every month, and that's just the ones that get CAUGHT, rubber stamped, transported to your home town, and given free everything to be sure they vote Democrat.

It will backfire even politically, let alone economically, as Democrat politicians are getting outraged at what's happening to their towns, cities, and states and THE VOTERS THEREIN.

Well, just, freaking DUH! WTH did they expect?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always whining on endlessly in your predictable negative tone. It's so easy to cast blame on others.

When are you going to get the point of telling us all what needs to done with a seemingly never ending supply of folks looking for a better life in America? What would an old military guy like you that retired 30 years ago do to eliminate the problem? Hell, why not add in the problem of homelessness while you're at it! We wouldn't want the problem to be too simple.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cruelty as a family value seems to be the unshakeable bedrock of the current Republican party.

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Denouncing their actions as “outrageous,” President Biden vowed there would be consequences for the Border Patrol agents photographed riding horseback while swinging reins and charging at Haitian migrants trying to enter the country.

“Those people will pay,” the president said.

On Sunday, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) had a different message for any federal agents who might get into trouble — the Lone Star State has a job waiting for you.

Abbott, appearing on “Fox News Sunday” with Chris Wallace, said the agents were “simply maneuvering horses.” Their actions were necessary, he added, because the Biden administration was failing at one of its most basic constitutional duties: to “secure the sovereignty of the United States of America.”
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your taxes at work: There are more than $100,000,000 in border wall materials lying on the ground along our southern border. Biden has been paying wall contractors $5,000,000 PER DAY NOT to build the wall.

Source: Biden's own Border Patrol Chief, on camera.
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Why don't you link the source of your information? Then we can begin to judge just how credible such claims are.
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