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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isobars said:

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Worse, it seems data and statistics are being intentionally manipulated by our health authorities to present a false picture of safety and effectiveness. All such tactics are indefensible at this point, and people who believe the official narrative without doing their own research do so at their own risk.


Yup, that's exactly what Trump did.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
BTW, I paid cash to get the latest, greatest, state-of-the-art Covid spike antibody test. I got two things out of it:
1. A numerical score. It's >20. Isn't that wonderful?
No, wait ... is that bad?

Not so sorry to divert about the testing method. I just can't stop ranting about how WRONG the RT-PCR test is, and how no one knows that IT too has a score, to which nearly all who agree to be tested have no idea.

In the RT-PCR test, the "score" is the cycle count needed to produce a positive result. Except, no one ever actually receives a score. The +/- threshold is arbitrarily set in advance by the test administrator, and the test subjects are almost never made aware of such.

According to reputable sources, 20 cycles is a realistic indicator of definite positive finding. 28 cycles is a realistic count for a "probable" finding.

Even the most evil Fraudci himself has publicly stated that using 35 cycles is 'very likely' to produce a high amount of false positives.

So guess what cycle count is typically used in US hospitals? a mind-blowing 45. Keep in mind, this reading could mean life or death for the would-be admitted patient.

The sickest thing is that despite these well-known (within the industry) limitations, many "C0v1dized" (privatized and corrupt) US hospitals will continue to use the PCR test results as gospel, when it comes to quarantining patients and denying them medical choice or visitors.

And these corrupt murder centers will milk this diabolical arrangement (privatized hospitals get paid more for each C0v1d diagnosis, admission, and ventilation(!) using the RT-PCR test, until it's Emergency Use Authorization expires December 31, with NO application for FDA approval! OOPS. No harm no foul, right?

Just think, a year ago, the sheeple of America were seeing highway flashing signs, saying "Feel Ill? Get tested!"

Y'all know what set the stage for C0v1d-nation of hospitals, right? it's a very nasty 9-letter word starting with O (no, libtards, the answer is not Ovulation)


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pickled.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Pickled.

Thank you for not burying my thoughtful and useful post with 5 pages of useless copy/pasted irrelevant static
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was half aware of the objections to the vaccines, as raised by reputable expert medical people as partly detailed in Isobars post, AFTER I had had the two initial Pfizer injections earlier on. (Priority age group.) I must admit it worried me and initially I was against getting a booster jab. However, I changed my mind because I reasoned that already having had two Pfizer doses any changes to body functioning would already have been 'locked in' and it was too late to have second thoughts. (In for a penny etc.)

The facts in our country now seem to be that, a) we are not suffering a surging third wave as is happening in much of Europe. (Lockdowns again for them.) b) Our position may, or may not, be attributed to the wholesale vaccine program much earlier than other countries, or, it may be, as I quoted in a previous post, that a form of herd immunity has taken effect.

I incline to believe that herd immunity will eventually be the long term salvation, and hope to goodness that the vaccines do not in any way affect that outcome.

Some European countries are now making vaccines compulsory. This is WRONG!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today's issue of Mercola's well-referenced anti-vax story is supported by the news stories we've seen many times, essentially that if anyone dies who dies of disease has coughed a couple of times within the last few months, the official cause of death is listed as the dreaded

COVID 19.

Did my spike protein vaccines cause or contribute to my own year of unexplained, widespread, crippling thigh and lower back inflammation which cost me a WSing season and a great deal of pain and decreased mobility with leg collapses and falls every day? Dunno, but no other explanation has surfaced. Can we even IMAGINE the quantity of cold, hard cash this has put into the pockets of Big Pharma? We have already seen hard proof of the cash, unelected power, and ego boost this has put into Fauci's (also proven) lying carcass.

"Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, an internal medicine doctor and former head of health at the Council of Europe, spoke with Planet Lockdown on the fundamental corruption at the World Health Organization and how it contributed to manufacturing a “test pandemic.”1

The seeds were sown more than a decade ago during the 2009 H1N1 (swine flu) pandemic. In 2010, Wodarg accused pharmaceutical companies of influencing WHO’s pandemic declaration, calling swine flu a “false pandemic” that was driven by Big Pharma, which cashed in on the health scare.2

According to Wodarg, the swine flu pandemic was “one of the greatest medicine scandals of the century.”3 As noted by Planet Lockdown, Wodarg, then a member of the German Parliament, “knew something wasn't right when 800 cases in Mexico was declared a pandemic”:4

“He dug into the issue and discovered a hornet’s nest of lies and corruption inside the WHO. He floored a bill called Fake Pandemic and did much to deflate that fake scare at the time, to the consternation of the corrupt functionaries of these institutions.”

With a Definition Change, WHO Could Create Pandemic Anytime

Secret agreements were made between Germany, Great Britain, Italy and France with the pharmaceutical industry before the H1N1 pandemic began, which stated that they would purchase H1N1 flu vaccinations — but only if a pandemic level 6 was declared by WHO.

Six weeks before the pandemic was declared, no one at WHO was worried about the virus, but the media was nonetheless exaggerating the dangers.5 Then, in the month leading up to the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, WHO changed the official definition of pandemic, removing the severity and high mortality criteria and leaving the definition of a pandemic as "a worldwide epidemic of a disease."6

This switch in definition allowed WHO to declare swine flu a pandemic after only 144 people had died from the infection worldwide.7 While the swine flu scare was eventually deflated, this wasn’t so with COVID-19, even though the real signs of a pandemic are absent. As Wodarg explained, it used to be that a pandemic was associated with widespread severe illness and death, but that’s no longer the case:8

“There was an explanation of what a pandemic is and it always was going with many, many people dying from infections. Many severe diseases, hospitals being overcrowded. It was such a catastrophe … and everyone in the street would notice that there is a pandemic because the neighbors would get ill, the people at work would get ill. In the bus, you would see people coughing.

In a pandemic … it’s something each of us would experience. This was a pandemic. And WHO changed it.”

By removing the severity and high mortality criteria, WHO could make a pandemic whenever they wanted. “The pandemic is just a picture spread by the media, making us afraid. But what the people experience is not what we used to understand when we used the word epidemic or pandemic,” he said.9 Now, the word pandemic has to do with fear, not illnesses. “It’s a brand for fear.”

COVID-19 Is a ‘Test’ Pandemic

If there hasn’t been a true pandemic, in the old definition of the word, then how are the media and government getting all of these high case numbers for COVID-19? This is due to the PCR test.

“It was accepted by WHO, and they said when the test is positive, we have a case of COVID-19. And this is how they started counting the cases,” Wodarg said. “What they counted was the activity of testing. And the more they tested, the more cases they found.”10

Positive reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) tests are not designed to be used as a diagnostic tool as they cannot distinguish between inactive (noninfectious) viruses and "live" or reproductive ones.11

Inactive and reproductive viruses are not interchangeable in terms of infectivity. If you have a nonreproductive virus in your body, you will not get sick from it and you cannot spread it to others. Further, many if not most laboratories amplify the RNA collected far too many times, which results in healthy people testing "positive.”

The higher the cycle threshold (CT) — i.e., the number of amplification cycles used to detect RNA particles — the greater the chance of a false positive. While any CT over 35 is deemed scientifically unjustifiable,12,13 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended running PCR tests at a CT of 40.14

A test known as the Corman-Drosten paper and tests recommended by the World Health Organization were set to 45 cycles.15,16,17 When labs use these excessive cycle thresholds, you end up with a grossly overestimated number of positive tests, so what we're really dealing with is a "casedemic"18,19 — an epidemic of false positives.

Wodarg says COVID-19 “was a ‘test’ pandemic. It was not a virus pandemic,”20 because PCR tests may give a positive result when it detects coronaviruses that have been around for 20 years. He explained:21

“The SARS viruses, they are very long RNA viruses. There are 30,000 letters in this genetic information. The PCR test only takes a very small part of them, or two parts of them. So two words out of a whole book … before you start testing, you can already estimate how often this test will be positive. If you take a sequence which is in many varieties of viruses, you will have many positive tests.”

The PCR test only tests for certain sequences of the RNA. It gives a positive result when it only finds a small fragment; it doesn’t need the whole virus. If the virus was there weeks ago or you have a touch of the virus present, but no infection, it can still test positive and add another COVID-19 “case,” even though you’re not actually sick.

COVID-19 Shot Conflicts of Interest Putting Lives at Risk

The mass COVID-19 shot campaign is riddled with conflicts of interest at a fundamental level, and these conflicts are putting people’s lives at risk by putting vaccine production ahead of disease prevention. As Wodarg noted, if you want to earn money producing vaccines, you need new markets in which to use them, and new diseases so you can sell your vaccine.

“This is a very serious matter,” he said, which has nothing to do with health or hygiene — “it has to do with criminology”:22

“When they want to sell their vaccines, they need people who are ill so they can make clinical studies. So when there is an outbreak, and they want to make clinical studies with their vaccine to protect people against this disease just breaking out … there is a conflict of interest.

If you have normal ways to stop the infection, with hygiene, with distancing, with isolating, with consulting with people, giving advice how to behave … if you stop the disease quickly, you’re not able to have enough cases for your study.”

So we have a “pandemic” that’s based on a test that doesn’t prove infection, but what it did do was make people afraid. And that fear was the basis for saying we need a vaccine. The shots, however, aren’t effective.

In November 2020, Pfizer, in a joint venture with Germany-based BioNTech, announced that their mRNA-based injection was “more than 90% effective” in a Phase 3 trial.23 This does not mean that 90% of people who get injected will be protected from COVID-19, however, as it’s based on relative risk reduction (RRR).

The absolute risk reduction (ARR) for the jab is less than 1%. “Although the RRR considers only participants who could benefit from the jab, the absolute risk reduction (ARR), which is the difference between attack rates with and without a jab, considers the whole population. ARRs tend to be ignored because they give a much less impressive effect size than RRRs,” researchers wrote in The Lancet Microbe in April 2021.24

Nonetheless, the jabs received emergency use authorization, which has paved the way for vaccine mandates and other assaults to your freedom and health.

Will Vaxxed People End Up Sicker?

The lack of effectiveness is one key reason why Wodarg believes most people do not need a COVID-19 jab. The other reasons include serious risks of adverse events from these experimental jabs, and the fact that, Wodarg says, cross-immunity exists due to multiple previous exposures to other coronaviruses in most people.25 “The genetically produced so-called vaccines are not necessary, because we have immunity.”26

As he stated, your immune system is well-equipped to protect you, and new viral exposures each year help to keep this complex system updated. Risk increases when you avoid regular viral exposures to keep your immune system ready:27

“Those new ones that come, this is some work for your immune system to get an update, but it doesn’t make most people very sick, only in a few, rare cases.

When we are not trained, or we didn’t have contact with viruses for a very long time, because we were isolated somewhere alone, not having our grandchildren on our knees, not experiencing any training — it’s the same when you are out of training and you suddenly have to climb a high mountain. Maybe your heart goes into failure and you die — maybe you die when you have contact with something your immune system has forgotten.”

The spike protein that the shots stimulate your cells to produce is also deeply concerning, since it’s toxic:28

“Vaccines are made to stimulate our cells, we don’t know which cells, or where the injection goes, but those cells that get contact with the vaccine, they produce spike proteins, which are very toxic. Normally, those spike proteins don’t come into the blood, this is why we don’t get seriously ill from coronaviruses. When you inject them, you bypass the natural immunity.”

This is a likely reason why there are so many side effects associated with the shots, as injecting these spike proteins is unnatural and very dangerous. It’s since been revealed that the spike protein on its own is enough to cause inflammation and damage to the vascular system, even independent of a virus.29

Further, Wodarg says, once your body has been injected with the spike protein, it may have an overreactive response the next time it comes in contact with a typical coronavirus, potentially leading to a dangerous cytokine storm.

When counting COVID-19 cases this winter, Wodarg believes it is important to ask whether the person received a COVID-19 shot or not. “I am quite sure,” he said, “that those people vaccinated will be the severe cases and that those who are not vaccinated will just experience a normal flu.”30

What’s more, once you’re vaccinated, they have all your data — the batch of the shot, the date and time. So, you’re essentially part of a clinical trial that you’ve never agreed to, and there’s no transparency about the risks involved. Wodarg believes that the pandemic “emergency” is being prolonged from month to month because it helps their injection studies, even as there are massive conflicts of interest involved.

If you listen to the media, you’ll be brainwashed that the jab is necessary, but don’t fall for the hype, including that getting the shot will earn you your freedom back. Wodarg said:31

“You won’t be free to travel. You will be controlled nevertheless, because the next virus already comes, the next jab is waiting. They want to perpetuate this game with us, with vaccines and with vaccine passports. It’s just the perfect control by this market and it has nothing to do with health. So we have to stop it.”
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flash, direct from his tin foil hat.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether or not this a pandemic, however defined, an obvious fact is that too many people seem to be unable to prevent falling desperately ill, and in too many cases dying, because their natural immune system defences are unable to cope with this virus.

It also appears to be a fact that the bodies natural immune system defences does save many others from serious illness or death, which is not yet fully explainable, or understood how and why? What is these people have that the more vulnerable do not?

My concern with frequent vaccine doses, and probable yearly recommended booster shots (how quickly that came to be seen as necessary!),is that the vaccine takes over the driving seat from our natural system and we become 'addicted' (as I once posted) to them. I KNOW that this is denied by the consensus, but we are told that the current pandemic is 'novel', and different to others in the past, so how can they be so certain?

That the vaccines have saved many lives (the older and more vulnerable) is
not in dispute, but the case for vaccination of the young (in some countries likely to be compulsory) is a serious and questionable matter. In the current state of knowledge of this virus, long term problems for young vaccinated children cannot absolutely be ruled out.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The death of critical thinking. The resentful sign up for direct injection of disinformation from Tucker Carlson and Joseph Mercola. Isobars screeches endlessly about taxes—and then listens to these two grifters.

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By Sheera Frenkel
Published July 24, 2021
Updated Oct. 6, 2021
SAN FRANCISCO — The article that appeared online on Feb. 9 began with a seemingly innocuous question about the legal definition of vaccines. Then over its next 3,400 words, it declared coronavirus vaccines were “a medical fraud” and said the injections did not prevent infections, provide immunity or stop transmission of the disease.

Instead, the article claimed, the shots “alter your genetic coding, turning you into a viral protein factory that has no off-switch.”

Its assertions were easily disprovable. No matter. Over the next few hours, the article was translated from English into Spanish and Polish. It appeared on dozens of blogs and was picked up by anti-vaccination activists, who repeated the false claims online. The article also made its way to Facebook, where it reached 400,000 people, according to data from CrowdTangle, a Facebook-owned tool.

The entire effort traced back to one person: Joseph Mercola.

Dr. Mercola, 67, an osteopathic physician in Cape Coral, Fla., has long been a subject of criticism and government regulatory actions for his promotion of unproven or unapproved treatments. But most recently, he has become the chief spreader of coronavirus misinformation online, according to researchers.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As last thought on the SUBJECT, not a shoot the messenger knee-jerk response -

A Harvard study has shown that people who have had a combination of vaccines and natural infection have "Substantially higher antibody responses" than people who have only been vaccinated.

There is also evidence from other reputable sources to suggest that antibody responses from those who have been infected last for longer than from vaccines alone.

The take from that would suggest that vaccination first, then natural social mixing and exposure to the virus (life must eventually go on, and we must live with it - not keep locking ourselves down and isolating from it) may produce the best all round protection for society (except for shielding the most vulnerable) and help to build that elusive herd immunity.

We need to hope so!
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