Climate Change

J64TWB · Joined: 24 Dec 2013 Posts: 1685

Techno you realize we are in the infancy of battery power and things are really going quite smoothly. We are just a few years away from 900 miles per charge. Not only that but using different elements than cobalt and lithium. There is an explosion occurring and the technological tidal wave is just beginning. Do your research.

Do not relay on “The No trickery zone” as a source for information.

cgoudie1 · Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:44 am Post subject:

Saw my 1st battery powered vehicle (a dune buggy) back in 1978. It was
the senior project of one of my graduating class from the college of
Engineering at the University of Utah. 15 minutes run time with a top
speed of about 30 MPH. Clever these Electrical Engineers.

-Craig

techno900 · Joined: 28 Mar 2001 Posts: 4161

wsurfer · Joined: 17 Aug 2000 Posts: 1635

J64TWB · Joined: 24 Dec 2013 Posts: 1685

Now there you have a point. The first generation Prius had 41 mpg. Now they are at 58. When you add 1/2 Ev to the hybrid they can be 78.

Are you saying we should stop technology? It‘s very possible you still own a plasma tv. I typically stay away from 1st generation stuff but at some point we all get burned with a better mousetrap.

There is no re- tooling going to happen with Trumps idea of nixing mileage standards. No company on earth is going to go backwards and invest billions to reduce efficiency.

coachg · Joined: 10 Sep 2000 Posts: 3550

Where have I heard Iso & Techno’s arguments before? Hmmmm.

Oh, I remember now, it was with cell phones. Iso’s rant went something like this if I recall.

“Those dang phones are too big. The batteries take 15 hours to charge & last less than an hour. And coverage is horrible. They only work in cities. If I can’t call grandma from the boondocks while eating my sandwich outside some useless lake that wants me to pay to enter, what use is the phone. I won’t ever own one of those dang things.

Iso”

I have to ask,
Techno, do you still not own a cell phone?

Coachg

boggsman1 · Joined: 24 Jun 2002 Posts: 9120 Location: at a computer

isobars · Joined: 12 Dec 1999 Posts: 20935

https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2014/07/f18/20140729%20DOE%20Fact%20sheet_Natural%20Gas%20GHG%20Emissions.pdf

And that doesn't even count the emissions from burning the stuff.

mac · Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:30 pm Post subject:

swchandler · Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588

I definitely prefer natural gas over coal any day of the week. Add in the pollutants to get coal out of ground, to process and transport it, it's unquestionably one of the worst sources for the production energy.

At this point in my life, I'm sticking with my gas powered Allroad, as it is totally paid for. Changing to an EV that I would like to buy would be very costly and inconvenient for me. Six figures for EV is a bit off-the-top in my book. Moreover, to charge at home, I would have to create a 220 volt system and transport to a practical location to plug into.

Looking to future, I would like to think that hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicles is the most ideal technology long term. You can fill up quickly just like gas or diesel, but with zero pollution out the tailpipe. Yet, admittedly, building the infrastructure would be a huge and expensive task, especially if done concurrently with electric charging stations. We are at a weird crossroads right now picking the best path for the next 100 years.