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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:08 pm    Post subject: liar-gate Reply with quote

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Trump’s Post-Election Fund-Raising Comes Under Scrutiny by Justice Dept.


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A federal grand jury has issued subpoenas seeking information about Save America PAC, which was formed as Donald J. Trump promoted baseless assertions about election fraud.



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A federal grand jury in Washington is examining the formation of — and spending by — a PAC created by Donald J. Trump after his loss in the 2020 election as he was raising millions of dollars by baselessly asserting that the results had been marred by widespread voting fraud.

According to subpoenas issued by the grand jury, the contents of which were described to The New York Times, the Justice Department is interested in the inner workings of Save America PAC, Mr. Trump’s main fund-raising vehicle after the election. Several similar subpoenas were sent on Wednesday to junior and midlevel aides who worked in the White House and for Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign.

The new focus on Save America was reported earlier by ABC News.

Among the roughly half-dozen current and former Trump aides in the White House and the 2020 presidential campaign who are said to have received subpoenas this week were Beau Harrison, an aide to Mr. Trump in the White House and in his post-presidency, and William S. Russell, who similarly worked in the West Wing and now for Mr. Trump’s personal office, according to several people familiar with the events.

A lawyer for Mr. Harrison declined to comment. A lawyer for Mr. Russell did not respond to a message seeking comment.


The fact that federal prosecutors are seeking information about Save America PAC is a significant new turn in an already sprawling investigation of the roles that Mr. Trump and some of his allies played in trying to overturn the election, an array of efforts that culminated with the violent mob attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

Key Revelations From the Jan. 6 Hearings
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Making a case against Trump. The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack is laying out a comprehensive narrative of President Donald J. Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Here are the main themes that have emerged so far from eight public hearings:

An unsettling narrative. During the first hearing, the committee described in vivid detail what it characterized as an attempted coup orchestrated by the former president that culminated in the assault on the Capitol. At the heart of the gripping story were three main players: Mr. Trump, the Proud Boys and a Capitol Police officer.

Creating election lies. In its second hearing, the panel showed how Mr. Trump ignored aides and advisers as he declared victory prematurely and relentlessly pressed claims of fraud he was told were wrong. “He’s become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff,” William P. Barr, the former attorney general, said of Mr. Trump during a videotaped interview.

Pressuring Pence. Mr. Trump continued pressuring Vice President Mike Pence to go along with a plan to overturn his loss even after he was told it was illegal, according to testimony laid out by the panel during the third hearing. The committee showed how Mr. Trump’s actions led his supporters to storm the Capitol, sending Mr. Pence fleeing for his life.

Fake elector plan. The committee used its fourth hearing to detail how Mr. Trump was personally involved in a scheme to put forward fake electors. The panel also presented fresh details on how the former president leaned on state officials to invalidate his defeat, opening them up to violent threats when they refused.

Strong arming the Justice Dept. During the fifth hearing, the panel explored Mr. Trump’s wide-ranging and relentless scheme to misuse the Justice Department to keep himself in power. The panel also presented evidence that at least half a dozen Republican members of Congress sought pre-emptive pardons.

The surprise hearing. Cassidy Hutchinson, ​​a former White House aide, delivered explosive testimony during the panel’s sixth session, saying that the president knew the crowd on Jan. 6 was armed, but wanted to loosen security. She also painted Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff, as disengaged and unwilling to act as rioters approached the Capitol.

Planning a march. Mr. Trump planned to lead a march to the Capitol on Jan. 6 but wanted it to look spontaneous, the committee revealed during its seventh hearing. Representative Liz Cheney also said that Mr. Trump had reached out to a witness in the panel’s investigation, and that the committee had informed the Justice Department of the approach.

A “complete dereliction” of duty. In the final public hearing of the summer, the panel accused the former president of dereliction of duty for failing to act to stop the Capitol assault. The committee documented how, over 187 minutes, Mr. Trump had ignored pleas to call off the mob and then refused to say the election was over even a day after the attack.

Those parts of the Jan. 6 inquiry related to Mr. Trump have so far largely centered on a plan to create slates of electors pledged to him in seven key swing states that Joseph R. Biden Jr. had won.

The new subpoenas appeared to have been issued by a different grand jury in Washington than the one that has been gathering evidence about the so-called fake electors plan, which has focused on questions surrounding pro-Trump lawyers like Rudolph W. Giuliani and John Eastman.

At least one of the new subpoenas bore the name of a veteran federal prosecutor in Washington who specializes in fraud cases, suggesting that this avenue of inquiry is devoted primarily to examining the spending and fund-raising at Mr. Trump’s PAC.


It also sought communications with a range of people, many of whom have been listed on other subpoenas focused on different aspects of Mr. Trump’s post-election efforts to stay in power. At least one of the new subpoenas sought any communications with Bruce Marks, a lawyer in Pennsylvania who worked on efforts to challenge the election results there.


At a hearing held in June by the House select committee investigating Jan. 6, Representative Zoe Lofgren, Democrat of California, laid out the panel’s account of how Save America PAC and Mr. Trump’s campaign raised $250 million after the election by claiming they were fighting widespread fraud when they knew there was none.

“Throughout the committee’s investigation, we found evidence that the Trump campaign and its surrogates misled donors as to where their funds would go and what they would be used for. So not only was there the big lie, there was the big rip-off,” Ms. Lofgren said. “Donors deserve to know where their funds are really going. They deserve better than what President Trump and his team did.”

The revelation that Save America PAC had fallen under scrutiny comes as Mr. Trump is at the center of a remarkable swirl of investigations at the state and federal levels, reaching from Georgia to New York to Florida.

This week, a federal judge in Florida ordered the appointment of an independent arbiter, known as a special master, to review a trove of more than 11,000 documents seized last month from Mr. Trump’s private club and residence. The search of the estate, Mar-a-Lago, was part of a Justice Department inquiry into whether Mr. Trump illegally retained national defense papers at the property and obstructed repeated attempts by government officials to retrieve them.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how do we know a ultra right winger is lying, well their lips are moving.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/flat-out-lying-legal-analyst-fact-checks-mike-pence-claiming-no-blm-protesters-were-arrested/ar-AA1cIWCy?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=cd9e8aca1ac24fa78ec6ec39a3432365&ei=10

'Flat-out lying': Legal analyst fact-checks Mike Pence claiming no BLM protesters were arrested


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Former Vice President Mike Pence faced off against an angry crowd of Donald Trump's supporters who built a gallows on the lawn of the U.S. Capitol and chanted "Hang Mike Pence."

Speaking to "Meet the Press" on Sunday, Pence complained about the prosecution of his former running mate, but he was faced with the reality of allowing crimes to go unpunished due to someone's status.

Fidgeting with his jacket and shifting in his chair, Pence said he wants equal treatment under the law. He demanded equal accountability for President Joe Biden's documents, and Chuck Todd was forced to tell him that the attorney general appointed a special counsel in that case as well. So, the treatment is equal, the host explained.

"Well, we'll see," Pence dodged, refusing to respond to being fact-checked in real-time.

Pence then complained that for seven years, it seemed like Democrats were given the edge under justice. Todd told Pence that his claim would mean Bill Barr and Jeff Sessions were somehow helping the Democratic Party. It was a comment the host appeared to find absurd.

Pence complained that the Justice Department targeted parents attending school board meetings, which is false. The Justice Department targeted anyone making violent threats to local officials. As long as a parent never threatened to kill a teacher, they didn't face off against the law. Pence appears to be complaining that law enforcement should ignore such death threats.

His second complaint is that the Justice Department was targeting pro-life activists. In reality, those pro-life activists were arrested for vandalizing clinics. In the past, abortion doctors have been assassinated and clinics have been bombed and attacked.


Finally, he attacked the Justice Department for not prosecuting violent protesters during the summer of 2020 after the slaying of George Floyd. Donald Trump and Pence were in office for seven months after the June protests, and Bill Barr still ran the Justice Department until the end of 2020.

Longtime legal analyst, formerly at BuzzFeed, Chris Geidner, called Pence out for the lies by posting a Justice Department press release saying that over 300 people had been arrested during the protests for Floyd.

"He's just flat-out lying to you. It's no different than Trump and the election. Mike Pence thinks he can just state a lie, and someone somewhere will buy it," said Geidner.

See the DOJ release in the screen capture below or at the link her

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