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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno and any denier out there. Take a look at the photos and then tell us that this was just a run-of-the mill hurricane, no big deal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2022/hurricance-ian-before-after-photos-damage/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3819ff9%2F633c5e86f3d9003c5806248d%2F5976d6ccade4e26514ba9956%2F27%2F72%2F633c5e86f3d9003c5806248d&wp_cu=9016920839b74faeff28386c5dc4b6b2%7C472B6050E1A41879E0530100007FACBA
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As people continue to move to coastal communities in greater numbers, the extent and cost of the damage from storms will continue to grow and grow, even if the intensity of the storms remain the same. When tropical storms hit densely populated, low elevation communities, bad things happen.

Not unlike the California fires, where more and more homes are built in forested, fire prone areas.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
As people continue to move to coastal communities in greater numbers, the extent and cost of the damage from storms will continue to grow and grow, even if the intensity of the storms remain the same. When tropical storms hit densely populated, low elevation communities, bad things happen.

Not unlike the California fires, where more and more homes are built in forested, fire prone areas.


Ergo we can ignore climate change or it has little or no effect on storms or wildfires Exclamation
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isobars



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would it be, considering that his clones have refused to believe -- even calling Harvard School of Public Health "fake news" or something to that effect -- the CBO, the IRS, the FBI, the Census Bureau, leading medical journals, and thousands of videos of politicians' moving lips in full context? For them, TikTok is solid news and anything on Fox is inherently BS regardless of the sources cited.

techno900 wrote:
I guess NOAA isn't credible with [mac], or is it?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
As people continue to move to coastal communities in greater numbers, the extent and cost of the damage from storms will continue to grow and grow, even if the intensity of the storms remain the same. When tropical storms hit densely populated, low elevation communities, bad things happen.

Not unlike the California fires, where more and more homes are built in forested, fire prone areas.


Do you think the US should turn places like the Outer Banks, or Sanibel Island into open space?
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mac



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another occasion where Techno posts something that makes sense. Underlying the problem is the outsized influence of the real estate industry, which disproportionately funds local political campaigns. With institutions like LLC's, they can divide and develop land that is away from the urban core and walk away before the tax and insurance bills become clear. The presence of FEMA and flood insurance (and fire insurance in the west) creates the illusion that people who buy homes in such places are paying their fair share. Not remotely true. Provision of roads, schools, water, and fire safety often far exceeds the taxes paid by such development. Flood insurance only covers a fraction of the annual payout, which is going up due to climate change. Efforts to bring a more realistic fiscal perspective to that insurance, and require such insurance to use federally insured funds for purchase, elicit howls of outrage from both Democratic and Republican politicians. It is getting worse, and the "its my property you can't tell me what to do with it" culture makes regulatory approaches difficult or impossible.

The net effect is a giant transfer of funds to those wealthy enough to buy, often second homes, in risky places.

What solutions would Techno and the politicians he supports favor?
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vientomas



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A student takes out a student loan and the government forgives it. Republicans complain.

A home owner builds a house in an area known for hurricanes and the government provides financial assistance after a hurricane. Do Republicans complain?
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mac



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh look, more evidence to ignore while Republicans rake in campaign contributions from the global warming industries.



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Yahoo News
Nigeria flooding worsened by climate change kills more than 600 and displaces 1.3 million
Ben Adler
Ben Adler·Senior Editor
Mon, October 17, 2022 at 11:13 AM·5 min read
In this article:

Goodluck Jonathan
President of Nigeria

At least 603 people have been killed by flooding in Nigeria, and all but three of the 36 states in the West African nation have been impacted, the Nigerian humanitarian affairs ministry said on Sunday.

The national government also announced that more than 1.3 million people have been displaced due to the rising waters and a minimum of 840,000 acres of land also have been affected. The flooding has also triggered fears of food scarcity in the heavily agricultural nation. Nigeria’s population of 218 million is the largest in Africa.

“We are very sad over these flood incidences in the country. It is a national disaster,” said Goodluck Jonathan, former president of Nigeria Goodluck Jonathan, on Thursday at an improvised displacement camp in an elementary school.

Flooding in Lokoja, Nigeria, Oct. 13, 2022. (Ayodeji Oluwagbemiga/Reuters)
The floods have been caused by unusually heavy rainfall. “Nigeria, which gets heavy tropical rains from May to September, usually suffers from seasonal flash floods but almost never on this scale,” Reuters reported last week.

The problem was exacerbated by a release of water from the Lagdo Dam in neighboring Cameroon, which was necessitated by the rain waters causing the dam to overflow.

More extreme rainfall patterns are a consequence of climate change, as warmer temperatures cause more evaporation, making both droughts and floods more common. Countries around the world have experienced both this year. The droughts that parched North America, Europe and China this summer were made 20 times more likely because of climate change, according to a recent study by World Weather Attribution, an international collaboration among scientists.

The city of Kogi after several days of rain. (Fatai Campbell/AP)
Meanwhile, devastating floods in Pakistan have recently submerged one-third of the country, killed more than 1,300 and displaced 32 million people from their homes. In one week in late July and early August, Kentucky, Illinois and Missouri all experienced rainfall so heavy that it’s only supposed to occur once every 1,000 years.
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MikeLaRonde



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of the greater diabolical agenda ... people will need to know WHY, so here goes.

Imagine a world ... where all energy is renewable, and fossil fuels (other than natural gas) aren't burned, anywhere. No more coal, heating oil, gasoline, diesel, or even jet fuel!;
Where all farming is 100% organic, with no petroleum-based fertilizers used;
Where there is enough fresh water for everyone, including all agricultural and industrial uses;
Yet, we still have electric vehicles which can transport humans across land, sea, and air, as needed ..

Given all of humanity's recent technological advances, is such a world really so unimaginable? Why don't you just ask the elephant in the room?
That's right, the elephant in the room is POPULATION. This fantasy world I've painted can only exist with DRASTIC reductions in, um, us.

Exactly how many of us are (not) needed, you may ask? Before you can even begin to estimate, one really needs to get a grip on how cheap energy has been used, historically and until now, to effect population growth.

Then, you need to understand the even more direct relationship between hydrocarbon fuels, fertilizer, food, and world population. Only then you can begin to understand how the population growth of the world is inversely proportional to the global cost of energy.

I don't suppose anyone heard about the destruction of the Georgia Guidestones, earlier this year? Kind of stunning that they were "mysteriously" destroyed, just as their "crazy" prophesies, engraved in 12 languages, which had remained standing for decades, were poised to become history!
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mac



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might sober up by morning, but there’s no fixing crazy.

https://www.elberton.com/local-regional/alleged-time-capsule-disproved
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