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MalibuGuru
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Those who trusted the system and took the Covid vaccines have a 26 percent higher mortality rate on average compared to those who declined the jab – and the death toll is even more staggering for vaccinated people under 50 years old, where mortality is 49 percent higher than for those unvaccinated.
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mac
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| MalibuGuru wrote: | Those who trusted the system and took the Covid vaccines have a 26 percent higher mortality rate on average compared to those who declined the jab – and the death toll is even more staggering for vaccinated people under 50 years old, where mortality is 49 percent higher than for those unvaccinated.
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As usual, Not a Guru does not provide a source for his claim, and it cannot be found perhaps outside the dark web. There are issues with excess mortalities, and it will be the insurance agencies, trying to protect their bottom line, that will drive the questions. But there is no such conclusion or link to vaccines like Malibu Paranoid claims.
| Quote: | Image of the words "high excess mortality." Group forms non-profit to help study baffling excess mortality.
By Doug Bailey
A coalition of insurance industry and healthcare leaders have formed a non-profit organization to help global insurers screen, test, and triage members to combat the baffling rise in excess mortality.
Members of the group, called The Insurance Collaboration to Save Lives, say they were increasingly concerned about excess mortality and morbidity trends that even three years after the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, have not returned to pre-pandemic levels.
Excess mortality, defined as more deaths than normally expected, rose during the pandemic with estimates of 16.8 to 28.1 million worldwide excess deaths from all causes. But as COVID-19-related deaths decreased through 2022, excess mortality continued to persist in many countries.
“It was the fire insurance industry that got together and created fire departments...We need some fire brigades, because things are on fire.”
Josh Stirling, former equity analyst and co-founder of the Collaboration
Statistics show the mortality gap increased the number of U.S. deaths by 34.8% in 2021, resulting in 892,491 excess deaths that year. When controlling for population size, the annual number of excess deaths is up 84.9% between 2019 and 2021. In other words, the number of excess deaths each year almost doubled, according to the California Center for Population Research at UCLA.
With excess morbidity comes excess losses for insurers that could be significantly quelled with digital screening and triage of policyholders.
Josh Stirling, a former equity analyst and co-founder of the Collaboration, estimates proactive screening and testing could bring insurers a 50x to 100x return from the mortality savings. More important, though he said, the health screening, targeted blood testing, and intelligent use of data would save lives.
“We think insurers can positively impact the health of a large proportion of members they test and will realize a hockey-stick return from the mortality savings,” he said.
Stirling compared the Insurance Collaboration to Save Lives to the Red Cross, Underwriters Laboratory, or the Institute for Highway Safety, independent or government organizations that brought about reforms in health care, regulation, building codes, and automotive safety.
“It was the fire insurance industry that got together and created fire departments,” he said. “We should be doing the same thing here. We need some fire brigades, because things are on fire.”
Insurance industry problems may be ahead
Stirling believes there is a small window of opportunity for insurers to get ahead of the excess mortality problem before it becomes a major financial problem for the insurance industry. The Collaboration is seeking support and working capital to eventually roll out the screening processes nationwide, and then worldwide.
Assuming $200,000 average life policies and a $200 cost of screening, the savings will cover the costs if as few as 0.1%, or 1 in 1,000, lives are saved.
“So what we're saying is ‘let's pull together a bunch of technologies that detects problems’ and let's try to do it on an internet timeframe, or a startup timeframe, or a public health emergency timeframe, as opposed to an insurance industry timeframe, which is just naturally much more long term in nature,” he said.
Insurance industry support needed
Stirling said the Collaboration, with insurance industry support, could save 1 million lives in as few as five years. One million lives, he said, is just 1.5% of global mortality each year, and 15% of global excess deaths in 2022.
“If you’re spending like $5,000 a year for a life insurance policy, it’s not crazy to spend a $100 or $200 every year or every other year for screening,” he said. “They should be happy to make that investment to improve the quality of life of their members. Even if you look at it from a marketing point of view, it’s probably a worthwhile thing to do.”
Stirling hopes to have a pilot program in the market within three months. That timetable could be vastly improved with corporate sponsors.
“Even after COVID started to wane, it feels like there's problems with mortality, which I believe right now is a public health problem that can be addressed by insurance taking leadership,” he said. “I think longer term, there’s the possibility of litigation from this is going to be bigger than things like asbestos was for the insurance industry. So, let’s try to figure this out and solve this problem.”
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vientomas
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| MalibuGuru wrote: | Those who trusted the system and took the Covid vaccines have a 26 percent higher mortality rate on average compared to those who declined the jab – and the death toll is even more staggering for vaccinated people under 50 years old, where mortality is 49 percent higher than for those unvaccinated.
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Fact based and cited counter point:
Secondly, the AP fact-check pointed out that the data used by Stirling is all-cause mortality, and there’s no evidence that the deaths of vaccinated people were due to COVID-19 vaccines, contrary to Stirling’s assumption.
Moreover, Stirling’s analysis presents a paradox, with those receiving just one dose of the vaccine having the highest mortality rate compared to those who received more doses. This is inconsistent with the cause proposed by Stirling. If COVID-19 vaccines were indeed responsible for a higher mortality rate, we would expect to see the mortality rate increase as the number of doses received increases.
Instead, Stirling’s analysis showed the opposite, with those receiving three or more doses having the lowest mortality rate compared to those who’d received one or two doses. Stirling called this “confusing”, but didn’t acknowledge that this would contradict his conclusion, raising questions about the objectivity of his analysis and conclusion.
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/analysis-insurance-josh-stirling-misrepresents-official-uk-data-doesnt-show-covid19-vaccines-600000-deaths/ |
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mac
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| Good job finding the original claim. Too bad that we are living in the “end of shame” era, and Sterling will neither apologize, or use his bitch slapping to learn anything. And paranoids will continue to lap it up—and buy supplements. |
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MikeLaRonde
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This so called "paradox" of the 1-dose group having the highest mortality rate has been, and still is actually a common trend in these kind of studies. I recall seeing more than one instance over the last 2+ years; from as early as 2021 from Public Health Scotland, IIRC
There are 2 dark yet logical reasons for this trend:
1. many, if not most of the victims who died from the vaccine bought it shortly after their first dose;
2. At least in all the early studies, and likely still: in order to be considered "fully vaccinated", the victim would need to have been at least 2 weeks past the second dose. That meant that anyone who dropped dead soon after their second dose would also be counted in the 1-dose group.
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MalibuGuru
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Cleveland Clinic Peer-Reviewed Study Found that the More Vaccines You’ve Had, the Higher Your COVID-19 Infection Risk |
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coachg
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| MalibuGuru wrote: | | Cleveland Clinic Peer-Reviewed Study Found that the More Vaccines You’ve Had, the Higher Your COVID-19 Infection Risk |
Says the guy who has had COVID three times to the guy who has never had COVID. 
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MalibuGuru
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| coachg wrote: | | MalibuGuru wrote: | | Cleveland Clinic Peer-Reviewed Study Found that the More Vaccines You’ve Had, the Higher Your COVID-19 Infection Risk |
Says the guy who has had COVID three times to the guy who has never had COVID.
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Virtually everyone on this planet will get covid. The symptoms are mild 99 percent of the time. Guaranteed that you've had it.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/42-us-adults-likely-have-had-covid-almost-half-them-say-they-didnt |
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