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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Voter fraud at Republican stronghold leads to light sentences


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To the extent that the United States has a famous retirement community, The Villages in central Florida probably fits the bill. It’s also earned a reputation as a far-right Republican stronghold.

A couple of years ago, for example, when Donald Trump promoted a video showing a parade of supporters in golf carts — one of whom shouted, “White power” — it was recorded at The Villages.

It was against this backdrop that we learned late last year that three residents of The Villages were charged with voter fraud. A fourth soon followed. As we discussed at the time, according to local police reports, the accused tried to game the system by voting in Florida, while also trying to cast absentee ballots in other states. Not surprisingly, they also got caught.

Whatever happened to these charges? The Orlando Sentinel reported today on the latest developments.

Two residents from The Villages confessed to voter fraud charges after filing two ballots in the 2020 Presidential election, court records show. Charles F. Barnes and Jay Ketcik pleaded guilty to casting more than one ballot in an election, a third-degree felony that could have resulted in a maximum five-year prison sentence.

The report added that Ketcik, a registered Republican, and Barnes, who is not affiliated with a political party in Florida, received a fairly light sentence. The Sentinel, citing pre-trial intervention documents, noted that the admitted fraudsters “will avoid further punishment if they regularly meet with a supervising officer, complete 50 hours of community service and attend a 12-week adult civics class, among a handful of other requirements.” (The other two residents from The Villages facing the same charges have pleaded not guilty and are awaiting trial.)

If these circumstances seem at all familiar, it’s not your imagination.

Revisiting our earlier coverage, it was nearly a year ago when we learned about Pennsylvania’s Bruce Bartman, who cast an absentee ballot in support of Donald Trump for his mother — who died in 2008. Bartman pleaded guilty to unlawful voting, conceded he “listened to too much propaganda,” and was sentenced to five years’ probation.

About a month later, Edward Snodgrass, a local Republican official in Ohio, admitted to forging his dead father’s signature on an absentee ballot and then voting again as himself. NBC News noted at the time that Snodgrass struck a deal with prosecutors and was sentenced to three days in jail and a $500 fine.

In August 2021, we learned of a Pennsylvania man named Robert Richard Lynn, who used a typewriter to complete an absentee ballot application on behalf of his deceased mother. After getting caught, he faced up to two years behind bars. Lynn instead received a sentence of six months’ probation.

Nevada’s Donald Kirk Hartle, meanwhile, became a cause celebre in Republican circles when he said someone cast a ballot for his late wife. In November 2021, we later learned that it was Hartle who illegally voted for his late wife, lied about it, got caught, and ultimately pleaded guilty. As part of a plea deal, he received a yearlong probation.

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Now we have two related incidents out of The Villages, along with two guilty pleas and two light sentences.

Stepping back, there are a couple of relevant angles to keep in mind. The first is the degree to which these incidents don’t bolster conspiracy theorists’ claims. “See?” many on the right will likely say. “Voter fraud is real; people keep casting illegal ballots; and sweeping new voter-suppression laws are fully justified.”

As we’ve discussed, that remains the wrong response. What these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.

But let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.

And yet, the aforementioned white guys — Donald Kirk Hartle, Robert Richard Lynn, Edward Snodgrass, Bruce Bartman, Charles Barnes, and Jay Ketcik — received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.

Indeed, none of these men stumbled into the crimes by mistake. On the contrary, they requested absentee ballots as part of their deliberate efforts to cheat.

They were caught and charged, but judges didn’t exactly throw the book at them.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(CNN)Mark Meadows was removed from the North Carolina voter rolls this week, as the state investigation into allegations that the former Trump chief of staff committed voter fraud continues.

The Macon County Board of Elections director, Melanie Thibault, confirmed that she removed Meadows' registration from the county's voter roll on Monday.
Thibault told CNN that "Macon County administratively removed the voter registration of Mark Meadows," as "he lived in Virginia and last voted in the 2021 election there."
The registration removal was first reported by the Asheville Citizen-Times.
Thibault said that Virginia had not informed North Carolina that Meadows had registered to vote in that state.
A spokesperson for Meadows, a former North Carolina congressman, declined to comment to CNN on his removal from the North Carolina voter rolls.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/13/politics/mark-meadows-removed-voter-rolls-north-carolina/index.html
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most vote in history 🤣🤣🤣

Just 33% of Americans now approve of Joe Biden’s job performance according to Quinnipiac Polling, an organization that is typically a cheerleader for Democrats. It must be really, really bad.

All the lies from Jen Psaki aren’t going to make this pig fly.

Quinnipiac poll today
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Most vote in history 🤣🤣🤣

Just 33% of Americans now approve of Joe Biden’s job performance according to Quinnipiac Polling, an organization that is typically a cheerleader for Democrats. It must be really, really bad.

All the lies from Jen Psaki aren’t going to make this pig fly.

Quinnipiac poll today
arn't you an oil co liar? geee we are producing the same under trump net exporter... the oild propagandists are at it with word oil price lie destabilization. We need to regulate these industries.

https://yubanet.com/usa/report-oil-giants-post-eye-popping-205-billion-record-profits/?fbclid=IwAR3L_Ful5qLazMHWoiVP2WmuKBAjW_uB-5_jlNls69oHkNLA5CUv6ZW1Y6k


Updated Report: Oil Giants Post Eye-Popping $237 Billion Record Profits.


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March 24, 2022 at 9:33 AM WASHINGTON DC – Today, Accountable.US issued a correction noting that twenty-five top oil and gas companies saw a staggering $237 billion in record profits in 2021 and not the $205 billion the government watchdog previously reported on March 15.

“It turns out twenty-five top oil and gas companies saw an eye-popping $237 billion in record profits last year and not the $205 billion we reported early this month,” said Kyle Herrig, president of Accountable.US. “We regret the error, but more than anything we hope Big Oil regrets its decision to shower these massive earnings on their wealthy executives and shareholders rather than helping American consumers struggling to fill their gas tanks and heat their homes.”

The original $205 billion figure only included three out of the four quarters for Saudi Aramco. Their earnings report was released later than others so the new $237 billion figure reflects the total with their final quarter now included.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/arizona-ag-report-finds-no-evidence-mass-fraud-maricopas-2020-election-rcna23336


Arizona AG report finds no evidence of mass fraud in Maricopa County 2020 election results


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A report issued Wednesday by Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich found no evidence of widespread voter fraud or irregularities associated with the 2020 presidential election in Maricopa County while raising concerns about some voting procedures.

The interim report, six months into an investigation, was detailed in a 12-page letter to Senate President Karen Fann. Brnovich, a Republican, said his office “has left no stone unturned in the aftermath of the 2020 election.”

Former President Donald Trump is pursuing a persistent pressure campaign to uncover any illegal activity that would support his false claims that he defeated President Joe Biden in Arizona 17 months ago.

Trump lost Arizona by less than 10,500 votes, and a GOP-commissioned review in Maricopa County confirmed Biden’s victory.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-trump-white-house-chief-of-staff-mark-meadows-was-registered-to-vote-in-3-states-at-once/ar-AAWusTe?ocid=winp2oct&cvid=b3a8d9f63764445fabf8b442081b0081


Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows was registered to vote in 3 states at once


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Mark Meadows was registered to vote in three states at the same time.
The former Trump White House chief of staff was booted from North Carolina voter rolls last week.
He's still registered to vote in both South Carolina and Virginia.
Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows was registered to vote in three states at the same time, a new Washington Post report found on Friday.

According to state records reviewed by The Post's Fact Checker, Meadows was registered to vote in North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia — simultaneously — for about three weeks.

Meadows was booted from North Carolina's voter rolls last week during an investigation into potential voter fraud related to his voting record. Meadows was registered to vote in 2020 from a mobile home address in Scaly Mountain, North Carolina, though Meadows did not own the property nor had he lived there, prompting an investigation.

He is also still registered to vote both in South Carolina and Virginia, per The Post. The news comes as Meadows has amplified GOP talking points about "election integrity" and has served as senior partner at the Conservative Partnership Institute, a group that works to "restore the election integrity safeguards the left is trying to tear down," The Post reported.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is he going to be all over the front pages of the media for years? where is that so called liberal media when you need one.

lock him up for the rerst of his putrid life... attempted murder is what I would charge him with...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/22/2093273/-Republican-megadonor-indicted-for-role-in-election-fraud-assault-on-air-conditioner-repairman?detail=emaildkre2


Republican megadonor indicted for role in 'election fraud' assault on air conditioner repairman


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Hey, it looks like maybe there will be some consequences for one of the big-time Republican donors who helped push the party's hoaxes about supposed "election fraud" when Republicans didn't win a presidential election and started having an absolute fascist cow about it.

And by "maybe," I mean probably not, and by "consequences," I mean he'll probably never see the inside of an actual Texas courtroom ever because the Texas courts would rather burn their own buildings down than abide a rich conservative guy having to answer for a crime. But at least we can enjoy Steven Hotze getting his name in the newspapers for helping to fund a crackpot Republican vigilante who ran an air conditioner repairman off the road and held him at gunpoint, believing the repairman to be involved in some weirdly premised "election fraud" scheme that existed only as a propaganda campaign in the heads of those shouting it.

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The Texas Tribune reports that Texas Republican "megadonor" Steven Hotze was on Wednesday indicted on two felony counts for his role in that armed assault. Hotze wasn't at the scene, but the man who held the repairman at gunpoint so that his truck could be searched was one of the supposed investigators Hotze was paying to find supposed fraud. And while Hotze's lawyer is performatively outraged that Hotze would face charges over that, Hotze wasn't just a little involved.

Hotze paid investigator/gunman Mark Aguirre over a quarter of a million dollars, and the vast majority of that was paid to Aguirre the day after the assault.

Anyway, the guy is a far-right activist, he's been active in Texas Republican politics for approximately forever, he's able to shell out a truly bizarre amount of money even for an alleged physician—who the hell throws down a quarter-million bucks for some random gun-toting ex-cop to go on a violent "fraud hunt" based on nothing but internet conspiracy claims?—and now he and his ally Ken Paxton are both qualified to wear "currently indicted for criminal acts but still quite welcome in all Republican circles" commemorative t-shirts. But now he'll have to spend money on a few more lawyers as well, which is money that can't go toward getting anyone else in Texas nearly gunned down over a hoax. It’s the small things that count.

The idea that you can pay someone a quarter of a million dollars to "find" election fraud and the guy you're paying follows that order by running a random vehicle off the road in the dead of night and holding a man at gunpoint in order to search his work truck for "ballots" is extremely not good, and yeah, it's pretty clear why a grand jury thought Hotze's extremely lavish funding of the scheme counts as being involved with the crime. There's a deeper story here somewhere, and if Hotze wants to argue that he was conned by a violent weirdo he's going to have to have a better explanation for why he paid $211,000 of the $266,000 provided the day after the attack took place.

Because that doesn't look like an "investigation," that looks like a bounty being paid out for doing "something" publicly to keep the election fraud hoax alive—even if the "something" meant pinning that hoax on random and innocent people.

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2022 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/another-gop-voter-gets-light-sentence-committing-fraud-rcna27103?cid=eml_mra_20220503&user_email=e73377d3e40790eecbf6a99203e1476ea2a23c644c2045abd739b8f9e629a73b


Another GOP voter gets a light sentence after committing fraud


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After the 2020 elections, a Phoenix woman named Tracey Kay McKee was asked about allegations that she cast a ballot for a deceased mother. McKee complained to an investigator that “there’s no way to ensure a fair election” because fraud “is going to be prevalent as long as there’s mail-in voting.”

The Arizonan added, “I don’t believe that this was a fair election. I do believe there was a lot of voter fraud.”

As it turns out, McKee was in a position to know all about voter fraud — because she committed it.

In early October 2020, just a couple of days before early ballots were mailed to voters, McKee’s mother died. Soon after, she submitted two ballots, including one for the deceased.

The Republican voter was caught and charged, and despite her earlier denials, McKee eventually pleaded guilty. The Associated Press reported on her relatively light sentence:

A judge in Phoenix on Friday sentenced a woman to two years of felony probation, fines and community service for voting her dead mother’s ballot in Arizona in the 2020 general election. But the judge rejected a prosecutor’s request that she serve at least 30 days in jail because she lied to investigators and demanded that they hold those committing voter fraud accountable.

If these circumstances seem at all familiar, it’s not your imagination.

Last week, a New England Republican pleaded guilty to voting in both New Hampshire and Massachusetts in the 2016 general election. He was ordered to pay a fine.

Last month, voters in a Republican stronghold in Florida also pleaded guilty after voting in the Sunshine State, while also trying to cast absentee ballots in other states. The Orlando Sentinel reported that the admitted fraudsters “will avoid further punishment if they regularly meet with a supervising officer, complete 50 hours of community service and attend a 12-week adult civics class, among a handful of other requirements.”

They have a fair amount of company. Revisiting our earlier coverage, it was a year ago this week when we learned about Pennsylvania’s Bruce Bartman, who cast an absentee ballot in support of Donald Trump for his mother — who died in 2008. Bartman pleaded guilty to unlawful voting, conceded he “listened to too much propaganda,” and was sentenced to five years’ probation.

About a month later, Edward Snodgrass, a local Republican official in Ohio, admitted to forging his dead father’s signature on an absentee ballot and then voting again as himself. NBC News noted at the time that Snodgrass struck a deal with prosecutors and was sentenced to three days in jail and a $500 fine.

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In August 2021, we learned of a Pennsylvania man named Robert Richard Lynn, who used a typewriter to complete an absentee ballot application on behalf of his deceased mother. After getting caught, he faced up to two years behind bars. Lynn instead received a sentence of six months’ probation.

Nevada’s Donald Kirk Hartle, meanwhile, became a cause celebre in Republican circles when he said someone cast a ballot for his late wife. In November 2021, we later learned that it was Hartle who illegally voted for his late wife, lied about it, got caught, and ultimately pleaded guilty. As part of a plea deal, he received a yearlong probation.

And now there’s Arizona’s Tracey Kay McKee, who also received a light sentence, despite the appeals of prosecutors.

Stepping back, there are a couple of relevant angles to keep in mind. The first is the degree to which these incidents don’t bolster conspiracy theorists’ claims. “See?” many on the right will likely say. “Voter fraud is real; people keep casting illegal ballots; and sweeping new voter-suppression laws are fully justified.”

As we’ve discussed, that remains the wrong response. What these examples actually show is that when would-be criminals try to cheat, the existing system is strong enough to catch and prosecute them. This doesn’t prove the need for new voter-suppression laws; it helps prove the opposite.

But let’s also again spare a thought for Texas’ Crystal Mason, who cast a provisional ballot in the 2016 elections while on supervised release for a federal conviction. She didn’t know she was ineligible to vote, and her ballot was never counted, but Mason — a Black woman — was convicted of illegal voting and sentenced to five years in prison.

And yet, the aforementioned white voters received vastly more lenient sentences, despite the fact that they knowingly hatched schemes to cast illegal ballots.

They were caught and charged, but judges didn’t exactly throw the book at them.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2022 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

did all republicans vote twice illegally at the suggestion of trump...
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/6/2090271/-Trump-aide-now-running-for-New-Hampshire-congressional-seat-voted-twice-in-the-2016-primaries

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Another Republican caught voting twice in the same election. The latest is

If Republicans are truly interested in finding all those election irregularities they’re obsessed with, they’d better start looking at themselves.

The latest member of the GOP mired in voter fraud accusations is former President Trump’s aide Matt Mowers, who held a senior role in the State Department and is now running for Congress in New Hampshire. Mowers took it upon himself to vote in two states during the 2016 presidential primaries.



According to the Associated Press, during the time Mowers worked as director of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s presidential campaign, he voted via absentee ballot in New Hampshire. But just a few months later, after Christie’s run began to stall, Mowers re-registered in New Jersey using his parents’ East Brunswick home address.

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did all republicans vote twice illegally at the suggestion of trump...
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/6/2090271/-Trump-aide-now-running-for-New-Hampshire-congressional-seat-voted-twice-in-the-2016-primaries

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Another Republican caught voting twice in the same election. The latest is

If Republicans are truly interested in finding all those election irregularities they’re obsessed with, they’d better start looking at themselves.

The latest member of the GOP mired in voter fraud accusations is former President Trump’s aide Matt Mowers, who held a senior role in the State Department and is now running for Congress in New Hampshire. Mowers took it upon himself to vote in two states during the 2016 presidential primaries.



According to the Associated Press, during the time Mowers worked as director of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s presidential campaign, he voted via absentee ballot in New Hampshire. But just a few months later, after Christie’s run began to stall, Mowers re-registered in New Jersey using his parents’ East Brunswick home address.

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