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DelCarpenter
Joined: 06 Nov 2008 Posts: 499 Location: Cedar Falls, IA
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you to all for the helpful comments. I had guessed I need to make several adjustments which I will work on.
I should have some good wind tomorrow & maybe a few other times to try adjustments before my next races on the 19th & 20th (Wind Power Championships, Fond du Lac WI) and 26th & 27th (Mille Lacs Challenge & Kona Cup, Garrison MN) for a good end to this month.
Joethewindsurfa, my understanding is the Kona One step tail is intended to be mostly out of the water for light wind sailing and then in the water, extending the stern length of the board, when the nose comes up while planing. I believe that is supposed to give more speed because the stern section being added to the water is narrower than the nose section that is coming out thereby reducing drag. |
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Sailboarder
Joined: 10 Apr 2011 Posts: 656
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:32 am Post subject: |
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It's exactly the opposite. For heavier guys like me, the tail goes in the water in light wind sailing. It extends the length of the board, helping with speed. Lighter people don't have this advantage, but the board is faster for them since it doesn't displace as much water. This leverage the competition.
When planing, the water releases from the bottom part and the tail almost never touches the water, even if the nose is up. It will touch if you wheelie the board and get the nose very high(tailwalk). This brakes the board a lot.
So the tail is not normally used while planing and the board behaves similar to a 130-140 l freeride shortboard. |
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swchandler
Joined: 08 Nov 1993 Posts: 10588
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Seems to me that the Kona One's nose rides too high. Although being in the straps would lessen this to some degree, it still appears to be higher than what would be optimum. I'm thinking that characteristic ends up adding a lot of drag by the need to push air as it moves along. Also, the fact that the nose is so wide, it only serves to offer more unnecessary drag. If I was a longboard designer, I would definitely narrow the nose outline a lot. I understand why a wide nose improves the nose riding capability in surfing, but I could never see any real benefit in windsurfing.
Del, I'm curious why you weren't in the straps. Although you might be planing, not being in the straps only allows a small faction of the speed possible. While I've never ridden a Kona One, I know with all my boards there is a huge difference being in the straps versus out of them. Moreover, I should point out that there is still quite of difference in speed being in only the front strap versus in both straps. Taking full advantage of a board's rockerline necessitates being in both straps. Lastly, having the straps in the rear most positions is markedly faster than when located in the forward most positions.
Regarding sail positioning, the sail needs to be raked back and pulled in where the bottom of the sail essentially endplates in a zone from the board's outline to the middle of the deck. From the video, you're far from that zone, and as a result, you're only capturing a fraction of the power of the sail, and the alignment between the sail and the fin is off. A better alignment between the sail and fin will be more slippery overall, and full directional power will be on tap. |
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westender
Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 1288 Location: Portland / Gorge
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joethewindsufa
Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 1190 Location: Montréal
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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almost all the pics n vids with the K1 planing seem to be "riding the tail"/nose too high
i have not seen Sailboarder planing and when i went to the K1 worlds near Trois Rivières, it was LIGHT wind ...
i always thought the idea was keep it flat front to back, side to side and sail upright and closed for SPEED
like A² in this image speed sailin'
or Whitey flyin'
The Exocet RSD2 rides with the nose up, but I thought the K1 was not that kind of animal ...
especially with the "step tail" ...
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DelCarpenter
Joined: 06 Nov 2008 Posts: 499 Location: Cedar Falls, IA
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Solutions for me: boom higher, harness lines further back, weight further back, get into or be able to get into footstraps, sheet in more.
Why am I not in the straps; 31 seasons, still not in the straps? One reason is my planing runs are nearly always less than 500 meters long. South shore to north shore, the direction of travel in my video is just barely 500 meters. I turned at the end of the video because I ran out of room. Another reason, in the 25 years of living in our current house when faced with a choice between traveling an hour one way with a chance of getting better I almost always chose instead to travel only 10 minutes one way & was rewarded with sailing an extra 90-100 minutes.
Sheet in more: that one is easy enough to do, but problematic because it is also easy to sheet in too much and choke off the wind. I've been working recently to keep from choking off the wind. Finding the right foil exposure is tricky for me. As suggested I know raking back the sail more will help & that will be aided by a higher boom and moving harness lines back.
Step tail effect: I sit corrected, I believe Sailboarder is right about the intention of the step tail to help heavier sailors when not planing. I also think those of who plane inefficiently as demonstrated in my video do fully engage and benefit from all of the tail. We need an underwater Go-Pro video to prove that.
Kona nose angle while planing: The video links in westender's post show better Kona sailors have nose angle's that are sometimes similar to mine, but are usually flatter and often with more of the board out of the water. I think some of the height above the water comes from overall board length. If formula & shortboards were longer the ends of their noses might also be high above the water. |
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joethewindsufa
Joined: 10 Oct 2010 Posts: 1190 Location: Montréal
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:15 am Post subject: |
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since the Kona has a step tail and it rides with less surface area while planing,and thus acts as a "shorter board", I was under the impression it planed flatter like a shortboard rather than "nose in the air" like a longboard
in this photo from peconic puffin, it looks fairly flat ...
as you have said , have seen others riding fast and more angle ...
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jingebritsen
Joined: 21 Aug 2002 Posts: 3371
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:54 am Post subject: |
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there are benefits of a wider nose that some may not perceive of they not actually ridden an all around board or planform like the kona 1.
i do speed tacks to either clear weeds or cap off a back side wave ride. i have learned to plane backwards, stepping on the nose. wider nose makes tacking far easier. kona one is a great mix of easy and high performance. not the best at lots of more narrow pursuits, but high marks at being fun. _________________ www.aerotechsails.com
www.exocet-original.com
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Darbonne
Joined: 27 Jan 2012 Posts: 252 Location: Farmerville, Louisiana
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Del,
I have been struggling with planing in the straps as well. I was out last Saturday on my K1 with a Sailworks Retro 9.0. Wind was 10-15 MPH with gusts in the 20's Moving the harness lines back and using my weight to sheet in made a huge difference in the gusts. The wind was very gusty and unsteady. When it dropped off my lines were way too far back which made sailing up wind difficult. I have heard of some folks actually using two sets of harness lines. Seems like there would be a lot of stuff on the boom. Like you, I always seem to stand right in front of the straps. |
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Sailboarder
Joined: 10 Apr 2011 Posts: 656
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:37 am Post subject: |
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DelCarpenter wrote: |
Sheet in more: that one is easy enough to do, but problematic because it is also easy to sheet in too much and choke off the wind. I've been working recently to keep from choking off the wind. Finding the right foil exposure is tricky for me. As suggested I know raking back the sail more will help & that will be aided by a higher boom and moving harness lines back.
Kona nose angle while planing: The video links in westender's post show better Kona sailors have nose angle's that are sometimes similar to mine, but are usually flatter and often with more of the board out of the water. I think some of the height above the water comes from overall board length. If formula & shortboards were longer the ends of their noses might also be high above the water. |
As you accelerate, you have to sheet in more and more because apparent wind gets stronger. So don't try to be fully sheeted in when you start, but aim for this when cruising at speed.
As you said, a long nose makes it look high. With the Kona, it's even worse because the nose is curved up. But this is not critical. What matters most is to have the planning area in the back angled correctly. When I started, I had a lot of advice given to me to keep the board flat in order to plane. I couldn't figure what was wrong but I was always planing slowly. Eventually, I could hear strong suction noises coming from the board. I realized I was planing from the middle section of the board. When doing that, the back section is angled down, instead of up, dramatically slowing things down and requiring a lot of pull from me too!
Another benefit of the shape of the nose is that it helps achieving a smooth planing threshold. As soon as you have some speed, the front of the board lift a bit and planes while the rest of the board is still in displacement mode. The planing area moves further back and back while gaining speed until most of the lift is provided by planing.
Instead of having two harness line sets, one can compensate a bit by using an adjustable outhaul. When you go upwind, you can thighten the outhaul. The sail will be more efficient. This also moves back the sail CE and center it more with the harness lines, reducing the 'too far back problem'.
I also sailed for a good while in front of the straps. Comfortable while going fast and enjoying the occasional catapult! There was no way to get in the straps, or if I managed, the contorsion was far from comfortable.... You need to change your setup so that you are comfortable stepping ON the straps. Since the straps feel much better when you step IN them, you'll figure a way to move your feet in... |
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