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techno900



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not saying who's right or who's wrong, but for balance:

https://notrickszone.com/2021/03/07/nasa-surface-station-data-show-east-antarctica-not-warming-past-4-decades-cooling-trend/?msclkid=84e6d975a78811ec9aba90e55f4b5a30
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No trick zone? Sounds just a little biased no? In that link you sent was another direct link to NASA, in which I typed in Mcmurdo.

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/stdata_show_v4.cgi?id=AYM00089664&ds=14&dt=1
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

techno900 wrote:
Not saying who's right or who's wrong, but for balance:


These clowns are not the least bit interested in balance. I've posted back to back diametrically opposed AGWA "authoritative" articles just a day or two apart expressly for the purpose of balance, and it didn't take mac and Dean more than minutes to declare me a racist and a moron. Content is irrelevant to the left; it's all about the messenger.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno you would rather trust a website called “The no trick zone” (which according to scopes is a regurgitated out of context trickery site), rather than actual data from the Goddard Space flight institute wing of NASA? Is this your idea of balanced?

Both stories primarily consisted of regurgitated material from a blog called the “No Tricks Zone” (NTZ), which highlights out-of-context sentences from (in most cases) legitimate scientific studies that the author of the blog incorrectly thinks dispute the tenets of anthropogenic global warming.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/400-papers-published-in-2017-prove-that-global-warming-is-myth/
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing is more dangerous than foolish people who think they are smarter than scientists. Meanwhile, from the journalism world that actually requires fact checking, here's what is going on in Antarctica.



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The coldest location on the planet has experienced an episode of warm weather this week unlike any ever observed, with temperatures over the eastern Antarctic ice sheet soaring 50 to 90 degrees above normal. The warmth has smashed records and shocked scientists.

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“This event is completely unprecedented and upended our expectations about the Antarctic climate system,” said Jonathan Wille, a researcher studying polar meteorology at Université Grenoble Alpes in France, in an email.

“Antarctic climatology has been rewritten,” tweeted Stefano Di Battista, a researcher who has published studies on Antarctic temperatures. He added that such temperature anomalies would have been considered “impossible” and “unthinkable” before they actually occurred.

Parts of eastern Antarctica have seen temperatures hover 70 degrees (40 Celsius) above normal for three days and counting, Wille said. He likened the event to the June heat wave in the Pacific Northwest, which scientists concluded would have been “virtually impossible” without human-caused climate change.

Sea ice over Antarctica just shrank to its smallest on record

What is considered “warm” over the frozen, barren confines of eastern Antarctica is, of course, relative. Instead of temperatures being minus-50 or minus-60 degrees (minus-45 or minus-51 Celsius), they’ve been closer to zero or 10 degrees (minus-18 Celsius or minus-12 Celsius) — but that’s a massive heat wave by Antarctic standards.


The average high temperature in Vostok — at the center of the eastern ice sheet — is around minus-63 (minus-53 Celsius) in March. But on Friday, the temperature leaped to zero (minus-17.7 Celsius), the warmest it’s been there during March since record keeping began 65 years ago. It broke the previous monthly record by a staggering 27 degrees (15 Celsius).

“In about 65 record years in Vostok, between March and October, values ​​above -30°C were never observed,” wrote Di Battista in an email.

Vostok, a Russian meteorological observatory, is about 808 miles from the South Pole and sits 11,444 feet above sea level. It’s famous for holding the lowest temperature ever observed on Earth: minus-128.6 degrees (minus-89.2 Celsius), set on July 21, 1983.

Temperatures running at least 50 degrees (32 Celsius) above normal have expanded over vast portions of eastern Antarctica from the Adélie Coast through much of the eastern ice sheet’s interior. Some computer model simulations and observations suggest temperatures may have even climbed up to 90 degrees (50 Celsius) above normal in a few areas.


Eastern Antarctica’s Concordia research station, operated by France and Italy and about 350 miles from Vostok, climbed to 10 degrees (minus-12.2 Celsius), its highest temperature on record for any month of the year. Average high temperatures in March are around minus-56 (minus-48.7 Celsius).


At a nearby weather station, the temperature reached 13.6 degrees (minus-10.2 Celsius) about 67 degrees (37 Celsius) above average, according to University of Wisconsin Antarctic researchers Linda Keller and Matt Lazzara.

Keller and Lazzara said in an email that such a high temperature is particularly noteworthy since March marks the beginning of autumn in Antarctica, rather than January, when there is more sunlight. At this time of year, Antarctica is losing about 25 minutes of sunlight each day.

Wille said the warm conditions over Antarctica were spurred by an extreme atmospheric river, or a narrow corridor of water vapor in the sky, on its east coast. According to computer models, the atmospheric river made landfall on Tuesday between the Dumont d’Urville and Casey Stations and dropped an intense amount of rainfall, potentially causing a significant melt event in the area.


The moisture from the storm diffused and spread over the interior of the continent. However, a strong blocking high pressure system or “heat dome,” moved in over east Antarctica, preventing the moisture from escaping. The heat dome was exceptionally intense, five standard deviations above normal.


The excessive moisture from the atmospheric river was able to retain large amounts of heat, while the liquid-rich clouds radiated the heat down to the surface — known as downward long-wave radiation.

Wille explained warm air is often transported over the Antarctic interior this way but not to this extent or intensity. “[T]his is not something we’ve seen before,” he said. “This moisture is the reason why the temperatures have gotten just so high.”

Models show the atmospheric river will exit the continent around Saturday, but the moisture will take longer to dissipate. Abnormally high temperatures in the region could last through the weekend.

The abnormally high temperatures have caused some melting in the region according to models, which is unusual as this part of Antarctica doesn’t experience much melt often. This one melt event won’t affect the stability of the glaciers in that area though.


“This event happened in a location that doesn’t often have melt. Obviously, this doesn’t mean that from now on we’re worried that melting will happen,” Wille said. “It’s more of like, ‘Oh, that is weird, that could happen more in the future and then this could be bad.’”

Wille said it’s difficult to attribute this one event to climate change at the moment, but he does think rising temperatures helped prime conditions for such an event. Climate change is “loading the dice” for more situations like this, he said.

Wille and his colleagues are studying how climate change will affect the circulation patterns around Antarctica and whether atmospheric rivers will become more common or more intense.

“We do believe they will become more intense because it just simple physics … but the details, we’re still trying to figure that out. It would be very difficult to say that there’s not a climate change fingerprint on an event like this,” he said.


Keller and Lazzara suggested more study is needed on the climate change connection.

“[W]e can’t tell whether this is going to be a new trend or is just an oddity that occurs occasionally on a most fascinating continent,” they wrote.

Temperatures are known to vary wildly over Antarctica, and massive swings are common. Contrasting with this warm spell over eastern Antarctica, the South Pole observed just observed its coldest April to September period on record last year, with an average temperature of minus-78 degrees (minus-61 Celsius).

South Pole posts most severe cold season on record, a surprise in a warming world

But shortly after that historic bout of cold, the sea ice extent surrounding the continent shrunk to its smallest extent just last month.

Amid all of the variability in Antarctica, fingerprints of human-caused climate change are still evident. Its western ice sheet is losing mass while western parts of the continent and the peninsula are among the fastest-warming regions on Earth.

Warm ocean temperatures threaten to destabilize Antarctica’s Thwaites Glacier, a slab the size of Florida that contributes about 4 percent of annual global sea level rise.


Temperature differences from normal over the Arctic and Antarctic in recent days. (ClimateReanalyzer.org)
The historically high temperatures in Antarctica follow a pulse of exceptional warmth on the planet’s opposite end. On Wednesday, temperatures near the North Pole catapulted 50 degrees above normal, close to the melting point.

Record ‘bomb cyclone’ brings exceptional warmth to North Pole


Jason Samenow is The Washington Post’s weather editor and Capital Weather Gang's chief meteorologist. He earned a master's degree in atmospheric science and spent 10 years as a climate change science analyst for the U.S. government. He holds the Digital Seal of Approval from the National Weather Association. Twitter
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Techno? Another balanced reply?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J64TWB wrote:
Techno you would rather trust a website called “The no trick zone” (which according to scopes is a regurgitated out of context trickery site), rather than actual data from the Goddard Space flight institute wing of NASA? Is this your idea of balanced?

Both stories primarily consisted of regurgitated material from a blog called the “No Tricks Zone” (NTZ), which highlights out-of-context sentences from (in most cases) legitimate scientific studies that the author of the blog incorrectly thinks dispute the tenets of anthropogenic global warming.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/400-papers-published-in-2017-prove-that-global-warming-is-myth/


Dump on the web site if you wish, but their charts and graphs are from NASA.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will dump on the site because it regurgitates cherry picked out of context BS. NASA IS NOT saying Antarctica is warming Techno. It has concluded quite the opposite. End of discussion on balanced conclusions from NASA.

Every single NASA website you go to talks about ice sheets breaking, melting and temperatures rising. Why would you infer a balanced reply involves NASA when NASA is saying the opposite? There is nothing balanced about “The no trick zone” Techno. It took a couple of stations and made its own conclusions about the whole enchilada. Nothing scientific, no context, just pure spin for suckers to lap up. Do you partake in Trumps Truth network?

There are dozens of stations and Goddard space flight satellites monitoring real time data and conditions down to the parts per billion. In total, they show a conclusive image. By the way, you cant get any further south than McMurdo. Try again with balanced conclusions from NASA Techno. You cant. It doesn’t exist. Just because a couple of stations report cooling doesn’t prove anything otherwise they would conclude that. They don’t conclude that. When you have heart surgery do you base it on cholesterol numbers alone or do you pay attention to the entire picture including EKG’s. MRI’s, MCT’s, ECG’s, CT’s, TEE’s, and other tests? Maybe you just put a thermometer in your mouth and call it a day. I don’t. The no trick zone! So gullible.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you poke around on Techno’s site, you find the standard issue paranoid drivel. Hunter Biden, media cover-up, blogs by people you have never heard of who have no publications. People like the two Mike’s and Techno lap this stuff up. They don’t stop to wonder, much less check, where the funding for this nonsense comes from.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walt Meier is the ice scientist for Boulder, CO's National Snow and Ice Data Center. Matthew Lazzara, a U of Wisconsin meteorologist, monitors East Antartica's Dome C-ii. They agree that these 50 and 70 degree anomalies are a random weather event unrelated to climate change.

People who crap their pants over weather anomalies or try to eat meals through a paper mask are paying far less attention to science and far more attention to fear and ideology.
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