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vientomas



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mlaronde wrote:
boggsman1 wrote:
Doh! He died in August 2020? EUA was granted for Pfizer on Nov. 9th!

OOPS. Yeah, I suppose it gets to be an obsession. But try not to let my original video post get buried under my gaffe, as those stories of mostly EU footballers are clearly from the last year, after vax mandates.

And in most of the social media posts you can see the 2021 date. There is absolutely no shortage of stories like that, youngsters are dropping dead from the VAX all over. Not only that, there has been an explosion of spontaneous abortions from vaxxed moms.

Now just beginning is the covax baby era, as we have passed the 9 month mark since the vax was available to childbearing age women. Great idea.. doh! even Pfizer warned against it, but the evil CDC recommended it nonetheless. Prepare for more babies with all-black eyes like Biden's.

The CDC is easily the most corrupt of all the ABC's. Even the FDA had a few who put up a fight. I wonder how many Americans know that 2 very high ranking members of the vaccine division resigned just before the second-to-last ruling (before the 5-11 yo ruling, which was even more evil)


You mean these two pro-vax people who resigned?

Philip Krause and Marion Gruber, who resigned from the Food and Drug Administration two weeks ago, are among the authors of a scathing critique of widespread booster shots, which was published in The Lancet on Monday.

The article, which argues that the scientific evidence does not yet justify giving most people third shots of messenger RNA vaccines, offers an insight into the internal tensions in the Biden administration that were ignited by the White House’s sudden decision to back the booster plan.

The piece warns: “Current evidence does not appear to show a need for boosting in the general population, in which efficacy against severe disease remains high.”

It adds: “The limited supply of these vaccines will save the most lives if made available to people who are at appreciable risk of serious disease and have not yet received any vaccine. Even if some gain can ultimately be obtained from boosting, it will not outweigh the benefits of providing initial protection to the unvaccinated.”

https://www.ft.com/content/af8da7d4-43ea-41d6-90ee-f959b3675cc5
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coachg



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I can say is WOW. Someone obviously fell off the wagon.

Coachg
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mac



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Despite the team having a 99% vaccination rate, according to school officials, Cal football will not take the field this weekend against USC after at least 44 students and staff tested positive for COVID-19.

Although we do not know all the details of symptoms nor vaccinations of the team, the cancellation of a highly anticipated game like this one due to COVID-19 has led to online speculation — fueled by scary headlines — about the dwindling efficacy of vaccination and a return to the conditions that led to last year’s deadly winter surge.

But, in truth, clusters of mostly asymptomatic cases among the vaccinated, like what we’re seeing at Cal, are neither cause for concern, nor unexpected with a virus that will become endemic. They are an emerging part of our new normal. And we need to start recognizing — and more importantly — speaking about them as such.

Vaccines changed the game and have proven themselves to be highly effective in preventing serious illness and death from COVID-19. Because of that, what we need now is a shift in the way those in the media and in prominent public health positions think about asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic cases.

Prior to the availability of the vaccines, we employed a variety of techniques to control the virus: masks, distancing, ventilation, mass asymptomatic testing (because individuals could spread the virus when asymptomatic). But things have changed. In areas of high vaccination, mass asymptomatic testing no longer needs to done for those who are vaccinated, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines. Even testing for coronavirus exposure should be confined to individuals who were in close contact of a symptomatic person.

Vaccines reduce transmission. Those who are vaccinated are less likely to get infected in the first place, and, if they do, are less likely to spread the disease. A study of symptomatic delta variant breakthroughs from Singapore showed that the viral load by a value on the PCR test (cycle threshold, a test that should not be used to make clinical decisions) may start as high, but quickly comes down in the vaccinated (compared to the unvaccinated). This makes sense, since the immune response in the vaccinated can take a moment to kick in and fight the virus. Moreover, another study shows that delta symptomatic breakthroughs among health care workers in the Netherlands had a lower ability to be cultured, which means the virus is less likely to be infectious and spread to others. Data from careful contact tracing studies in Singapore, England, Canada and various summer camps also show that asymptomatic vaccinated people are unlikely to transmit to other vaccinated individuals.

It’s essential to remember that we only need to take emergency medical or public health measures if there are clinical implications in play. An asymptomatic vaccinated person is not clinically unwell and vaccines reduce symptoms if a breakthrough does occur. Moreover, if vaccines reduce the chance of being infected (vaccinated people are 13 times less likely to be infected than unvaccinated) an asymptomatic vaccinated person should not be tested without a direct exposure from someone who is ill.

Finally, asymptomatic positive tests add to case counts. This has consequences for our daily lives, since public health officials in the Bay Area (except for Marin County) appear to be using this metric to determine the necessity of restrictions such as masks, instead of a more appropriate index like COVID hospitalizations and vaccination rates.

Young people have been restricted during the pandemic in the United States — despite being less at risk for severe illness — in order to protect others. We owe it to them to return their lives to normal, especially when that was the promise of public health officials in the context of vaccine mandates at many colleges and universities. Football (an outside activity) was shown to be safe and lead to no transmissions in a study from last year, prior to vaccinations and in areas of high community transmission. It is too late for this Cal-USC football game, but we need to think of outbreaks differently from now on in the context of the vaccines and live our lives accordingly.

Monica Gandhi is an infectious diseases specialist and professor of medicine at UCSF.


Can't fix crazy, can't fix stupid--and cure rate on addiction is pretty low.
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MikeLaRonde



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coachg wrote:
All I can say is WOW. Someone obviously fell off the wagon.
Coachg
Man, what wagon? One only changes my emotion level, but not the truth. Is it really so hard to figure my MO each time I make a new appearance on this pathetic forum:

I. Don't get vaxxed (FAIL)
II. don't allow your parents or grandparents to get a "booster" (mixed reaction = GOOD)
III. Now pretty please DONT VAX THE KIDS!!!
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MikeLaRonde



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vientomas wrote:

You mean these two pro-vax people who resigned? (Philip Krause and Marion Gruber)

Indeed, thank you. They resigned under protest that people can explain better than I: https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-09-05-fda-officials-resign-covid19-booster-shot-politics.html

But you have to seriously wonder if they knew what was coming. The most recent vote of 17-0 (with one abstaining) in favor of the Pfizer 5-11 kill shot has got to be the most criminal majority in history!
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swchandler



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mlaronde,

Did you read mothman777's comment at the end of the article you posted from naturalnews? Pretty out there and full of ugliness and hate. Unfortunately, I guess you can expect that kind of thing fishing at extremist websites on the internet.

Do you buy your vitamins through the naturalnews website?
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MikeLaRonde



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swchandler wrote:
mlaronde,

Did you read mothman777's comment at the end of the article you posted from naturalnews? Pretty out there and full of ugliness and hate. Unfortunately, I guess you can expect that kind of thing fishing at extremist websites on the internet.


Whatever, any kind of comment is possible. I hope you know there are professional industry shills who frequent sites like that (and this one too! lol) Obviously not in this case; that particular troll has some irrelevant views which are more extreme than mine, so what

swchandler wrote:
Do you buy your vitamins through the naturalnews website?


No mostly I buy them at the Star Market in Cambridge MA, and other area supermarkets. It is true that this may not be sustainable, because lots of these are sourced overseas and supplies will be drying up, with QC becoming (even more) questionable. It is absolutely worth considering new online sources (NOT Amazon)

I can happily endorse one company: The Life Extension Foundation from Ft. Lauderdale, FL. They are very good. My most recent stock-up purchases include their NAC and Glutamine powder.

N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) is something everyone who has received the clot shots should consider. It is a direct precursor to the very important anti-oxidant glutatione. The super corrupt FDA tried and FAILED to ban it this year. Only Amazon canceled it.

L-Glutamine is great for any kind of recovery, from a vigorous workout to a bender. Glutamine repairs both muscle and intestinal damage, fixing "leaky gut syndrome" which is the root cause for much chronic disease.
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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't fix paranoid and addicted to unreliable sites. But here's a few facts, from our world in data. Current infection rate first, current vaccination rate second.

United States 6.4% 58.8%
United Kingdom 4.4% 68.5%
Spain 2.7% 79.0%
Portugal 3.4% 86.4%

You could plot those against each other and see the obvious relationship. Or you could cheer that crazy people pay attention to Russian trolls and "conservative" grifters.
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MikeLaRonde



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Can't fix paranoid and addicted to unreliable sites. But here's a few facts, from our world in data. Current infection rate first, current vaccination rate second.

United States 6.4% 58.8%
United Kingdom 4.4% 68.5%
Spain 2.7% 79.0%
Portugal 3.4% 86.4%

You could plot those against each other and see the obvious relationship. Or you could cheer that crazy people pay attention to Russian trolls and "conservative" grifters.


Sure thing Jimmy boy scaremonger NGO shill. Did I mention that all these "cases" you love to parrot are based on the completely fraudulent RT-PCR test with a 97% false positive rate? Did I also mention that even the CDC has admitted such, and that starting next year, this test WILL NOT BE USED IN US?
Oh yeah, that was all in that other thread, not this one.

Whatever, try again with all cause mortality vs vax rate. No rant or comparison based on "cases" means anything. So please stop ranting about cases with useless graphs of useless data derived from a useless test!

Man, I know you're in this video somewhere. can't figure out which one.
https://rense.com/general96/magical-covid.php
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mac



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said, you can’t fix stupid. Especially stupid and drunk.

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Public Health England reports that RT-PCR assays show a specificity of over 95%, meaning that up to 5% of cases are false positives. The impact of false positive results includes risk of overestimating the COVID-19 incidence, the demand on track and trace, and the extent of asymptomatic infection.


5% false positive becomes 97% false positive—right after the third drink and visiting bitchute.
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