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mac
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Chandler. You are absolutely correct. Infections do not respect state borders, and people have the right (this one isn't disputed by the right) to move between states for business or pleasure. Exactly why Federal Supremacy is relevant.
| Quote: | | Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions. It prohibits states from interfering with the federal government's exercise of its constitutional powers, and from assuming any functions that are exclusively entrusted to the federal government. It does not, however, allow the federal government to review or veto state laws before they take effect. |
It amazes me that people who claim to be original constructionists, or have been teachers, actually know almost nothing about the Constitution. |
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isobars
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | | It should be states and local governments, not the federal government. |
And it should be based on medical science and actuarial data, not strictly politics as it is now. |
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wsurfer
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| isobars wrote: | | techno900 wrote: | | It should be states and local governments, not the federal government. |
And it should be based on medical science and actuarial data, not strictly politics as it is now. |
And if I had to live in one of the dumb-ass states I would be thinking "Now ur F'd!" |
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vientomas
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | vientomas said: | Quote: | | I'm sure many of you were not permitted to attend public school without proof of vaccinations. How is a vaccine mandate for covid today any different? |
The difference is where the mandate is coming from for required vaccinations. It should be states and local governments, not the federal government.
Biden keeps moving the dial higher on the socialism meter with his mandates, plus adding more fuel to the fire is Biden saying that "he would use his presidential powers to get state governors "out of the way" if they wouldn't help in his pandemic fighting efforts." |
I see...you are an anti-federalist, States rights and all. I suppose you have no issue with states legalizing pot? Where does the power of the federal government end? it's a question that has been debated for as long as the Constituion has been in existence. You're going to settle the debate?
I am curious, how do federal mandates = socialism? |
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techno900
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| vientomas wrote: | | techno900 wrote: | vientomas said: | Quote: | | I'm sure many of you were not permitted to attend public school without proof of vaccinations. How is a vaccine mandate for covid today any different? |
The difference is where the mandate is coming from for required vaccinations. It should be states and local governments, not the federal government.
Biden keeps moving the dial higher on the socialism meter with his mandates, plus adding more fuel to the fire is Biden saying that "he would use his presidential powers to get state governors "out of the way" if they wouldn't help in his pandemic fighting efforts." |
I see...you are an anti-federalist, States rights and all. I suppose you have no issue with states legalizing pot? Where does the power of the federal government end? it's a question that has been debated for as long as the Constituion has been in existence. You're going to settle the debate?
I am curious, how do federal mandates = socialism? |
When states and local governments have no say, maybe a better description might be leaning toward totalitarianism.
| Quote: | | Totalitarianism is an authoritarian form of government in which the ruling party recognizes no limitations whatsoever on its power, including in its citizens' lives or rights. A single figure often holds power and maintains authority through widespread surveillance, control over mass media, intimidating demonstrations of paramilitary or police power, and suppression of protest, activism, or political opposition. |
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coachg
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | | When states and local governments have no say, maybe a better description might be leaning toward totalitarianism. |
Thank you for correcting your self Techno. For a second there I thought you were just another Trumper who had no idea what socialism was. But Vientomas brings up a valid issue. Where does the power of the federal government end ?Do you have an answer? Our country fought a civil war over that very issue.
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vientomas
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | | vientomas wrote: | | techno900 wrote: | vientomas said: | Quote: | | I'm sure many of you were not permitted to attend public school without proof of vaccinations. How is a vaccine mandate for covid today any different? |
The difference is where the mandate is coming from for required vaccinations. It should be states and local governments, not the federal government.
Biden keeps moving the dial higher on the socialism meter with his mandates, plus adding more fuel to the fire is Biden saying that "he would use his presidential powers to get state governors "out of the way" if they wouldn't help in his pandemic fighting efforts." |
I see...you are an anti-federalist, States rights and all. I suppose you have no issue with states legalizing pot? Where does the power of the federal government end? it's a question that has been debated for as long as the Constituion has been in existence. You're going to settle the debate?
I am curious, how do federal mandates = socialism? |
When states and local governments have no say, maybe a better description might be leaning toward totalitarianism.
| Quote: | | Totalitarianism is an authoritarian form of government in which the ruling party recognizes no limitations whatsoever on its power, including in its citizens' lives or rights. A single figure often holds power and maintains authority through widespread surveillance, control over mass media, intimidating demonstrations of paramilitary or police power, and suppression of protest, activism, or political opposition. |
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Your definition does not really fit the discussion. Are you not conflating "ruling party" with the federal government? To put a finer point on it, are you not conflating "ruling party" with the executive branch of the federal government as it pertains to a vaxx mandate?
Under your definition, would you admit that the Trump administration took actions which amounted to totalitarianism? |
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techno900
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:40 am Post subject: |
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vientomas asked: | Quote: | | Under your definition, would you admit that the Trump administration took actions which amounted to totalitarianism? |
Such as? |
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swchandler
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| You're kidding, right? Are you really that blind to what happened during the Trump Administration? |
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mac
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| Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| techno900 wrote: | vientomas asked: | Quote: | | Under your definition, would you admit that the Trump administration took actions which amounted to totalitarianism? |
Such as? |
Remember, xenophobe Techno was all in on the Trump administrations totalitarian measures responding to immigration. Just for a start.
I guess the big lie and telling the Proud Boys to stand by—so they could come back and try to halt the election certification—isn’t totalitarianism. In cra cra land. |
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