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MalibuGuru



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mac wrote:
Let’s see, Trump blocked safety regulations for the railroads—and Bard found somebody else who didn’t know that.


Who's been president for over 2 years? The idiot Buttigig won't even send fema aid.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China locks arms with Russia, so now the country with the largest nuclear stockpile hooks up with the country with the largest navy, and population. What could go wrong? You freaking morons.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
mac wrote:
Let’s see, Trump blocked safety regulations for the railroads—and Bard found somebody else who didn’t know that.


Who's been president for over 2 years? The idiot Buttigig won't even send fema aid.


The gift that keeps giving. Bard out to prove, many times a day, that people who watch Fox news know less and get dumber every day.

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Author: Erin Jones
Published: 6:25 PM EST February 17, 2023
Updated: 6:25 PM EST February 17, 2023
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On Feb. 3, nearly 50 train cars, including some carrying hazardous materials, derailed in a fiery crash in East Palestine, Ohio. Following the crash, officials conducted a controlled burn of some of the train cars to prevent a potential explosion of a toxic chemical called vinyl chloride that was onboard.
Thousands of residents had to temporarily evacuate because of health concerns related to the fumes. The cause of the derailment has not yet been determined, and an investigation is ongoing.
Over a week after the crash, U.S. Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg posted a Twitter thread on the work the Department of Transportation is currently doing to make trains safer. In one of the tweets, Buttigieg claimed one rail safety regulation involving brakes was withdrawn by the Trump administration in 2018 because of a law passed by Congress in 2015. Several others on Twitter shared similar claims.
VERIFY viewer Martha recently emailed our team to ask if these claims are true.

Yes, the Department of Transportation repealed a train safety rule in 2018.
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The Department of Transportation (DOT) repealed a train safety rule in 2018 that required installing electronically controlled pneumatic (ECP) brakes on trains that carried highly flammable hazardous materials, including crude oil.
Most of the world’s trains are equipped with air-braking systems that use compressed air to stop each train car individually. ECP brakes, which use electronic signals to simultaneously apply and release brakes throughout the length of a train, were introduced to overcome the drawbacks of the air-brake system on long freight trains.
“Trains stop shorter with ECP brakes and everything is simultaneous. You don't get the big run-ins that you get with conventional air brakes,” Steven Ditmeyer, former director of research and development at the Federal Railroad Administration, told VERIFY partner station WFMY.
John Risch, the national legislative director for the Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Workers (SMART) Union, wrote that “ECP brakes are the greatest safety advancement I have seen in my 40 years in the railroad industry.”
“ECP brakes slow and stop trains up to 70% faster than conventional brakes and are the safest, most advanced train braking system in the world,” Risch said.
In December 2015, President Barack Obama signed the Fixing America's Surface Transportation (FAST) Act into law following a number of high-profile train derailments in the U.S. and Canada.
The FAST Act included a provision that ordered the Government Accountability Office (GAO) and other researchers to review the ECP brake rule following complaints from railroad companies and lobbyists, including the Association of American Railroads.
The GAO report found flaws in the DOT’s estimates of potential business benefits of the ECP brakes, including reduced fuel consumption, reduced wear on wheels, and improved operational efficiencies. After the GAO released its findings, the DOT performed a revised cost-benefit analysis, which determined the benefits of ECP brakes did not outweigh the cost of implementing them. On Sept. 25, 2018, the DOT issued a final rule to remove the ECP brake rule from the FAST Act.
A few months after the repeal, the Associated Press released a study that found that the DOT’s analysis omitted up to $117 million in estimated future damages from train derailments that could be avoided by using electronic brakes.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I offer the following opinion from the Washington Post in contrast to Bard's offering.


Opinion The right fans a repulsive campaign to racialize the Ohio train disaster

By Greg Sargent
February 21, 2023


"The fiery derailment of a freight train carrying hazardous chemicals in eastern Ohio is coming to represent bigger societal failures. It’s a story about profit-driven rail companies underinvesting in safety, lobbyists weakening rail regulation, and the government’s failure to assure residents’ security from lingering toxins.

But in certain right-wing media precincts, the disaster is about something else: A campaign of discrimination being waged against White people.

“East Palestine is overwhelmingly White, and it’s politically conservative,” Fox News’s Tucker Carlson recently said of the roughly 4,700 residents of the disaster zone. “That shouldn’t be relevant,” he added, but “it very much is.”

It very much isn’t. But ever since the Feb. 3 disaster, Carlson and his comrades have sought to transform East Palestine’s plight into a tale about “woke” Democrats abandoning White communities in the virtuous, forgotten heartland.

What this illustrates is how the right uses race-baiting to deceive people into forgetting that Democrats are now the far more committed party when it comes to investing in such left-behind communities.

Central to Carlson’s insinuation about the “relevance” of East Palestine’s Whiteness is the conduct of Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. Carlson cites recent remarks by Buttigieg about the construction industry’s racial makeup, sneering that Buttigieg has been neglecting East Palestine specifically to focus on a more “pressing problem,” that “we have too many White construction workers.”

Similarly, Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio) ripped Buttigieg for neglecting railroad safety while instead “talking about how we have too many White male construction workers,” adding in the “male” for good measure.
The relevant Buttigieg comments were about the importation of White workers to build projects in high-unemployment minority communities, and about how to create opportunities for minority construction workers. For Vance and Carlson, this apparently isn’t a concern. But even if you disagree with Buttigieg on this, it’s disgusting to link it to East Palestine: It’s meant to imply neglect of White disaster victims to serve a hidden agenda of preferring minorities over Whites.

Carlson ratchets up this vile game by saying that if the accident had happened in Philadelphia or Detroit — wink, wink — there would be no neglect. And the race-baiting gets worse. One Fox News host suggested the Biden administration is “spilling toxic chemicals on poor white people.” Far-right personality Charlie Kirk decried a “war on white people” waged by the “Biden regime,” which is supposedly allowing the “poisoning” of “citizens of eastern Ohio.” Note the hints of the ugly trope that elites are plotting to exterminate Whites, or at least allowing them to perish.

Unquestionably, when the facts are all found, the administration, Congress, the rail company Norfolk Southern and the freight-rail industry should be held accountable to whatever extent they are implicated. For now, what’s objectionable is the right’s deliberate racializing of this story.

This notion of a premeditated project of elite Democratic neglect is absurd, given recent history. Biden presided over passage of bills, such as the Inflation Reduction Act and the Chips and Science Act, that will pump huge sums into tech and green manufacturing in many regions that are a lot like East Palestine.

Mark Muro, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, says that spending is already helping facilitate such projects in Ohio, including expansions of electric vehicle battery and chip manufacturing in places such as Lordstown and Licking County. Ultimately, Muro told me, the programs will mean “thousands of new jobs in advanced manufacturing and green energy” in “areas like northeast Ohio.”

Such places do have legitimate longtime grievances. But as MSNBC’s Chris Hayes notes, some of the same Republicans demagoguing about East Palestine have been silent about real answers to those grievances. Worse, we’re in the middle of an extraordinarily ambitious effort to address those regional grievances, and Republicans have mostly opposed it.

Democrats can lean into that argument, says Tim Ryan, who challenged Vance for the Senate and is now a senior fellow for the moderate group Third Way.

“You guys want to talk about a train accident as an attack on White people?” Ryan said of Republicans. “We want to talk about how we rebuild these communities.”

Something deeper is at stake. Many commentators have offered what the Atlantic’s Adam Serwer calls a “Calamity Thesis” about working-class White America: It has endured a social catastrophe rooted in globalization and cultural change that liberal elites won’t acknowledge, fomenting backlash. This story inevitably privileges working-class White victimization as a driving fact of U.S. politics.

The right’s East Palestine demagoguery employs a widely shared graphic of an enormous chemical plume from a controlled fire burning off chemicals. This is meant to suggest a left-behind area victimized by a deliberately inflicted calamity, which is explicitly described in right-wing media as woke elite punishment for the Whiteness of its abandoned residents.

For some on the right, it isn’t enough for this story to be about corporate greed, the need for bureaucratic reform, or which party is genuinely committed to investing in — and governing on behalf of — places like East Palestine. Instead, it must be transformed into a tale about racial malice, with White Americans as the victims."
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is precisely why Agent Orange is jumping on the band wagon.

Firing up the extreme white and portraying them as victims like himself.

“The people of East Palestine need help. I’ll see you on Wednesday,” Trump said in a Saturday press release.

What in God's name will he do to help after relaxing regulations on rail freight?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Something Rotten in Columbiana County, Ohio
Are the residents of East Palestine, Ohio the first casualties in Biden's race war?
MICHAEL SMITH
FEB 17


Something is rotten in Columbiana County, Ohio.

And it isn’t just the smell of burning vinyl chloride.

It is something far more insidious.

Even for this avowed racist government, the abdication of their responsibility and duty to the people of East Palestine and the surrounding areas in Ohio and Pennsylvania, the Biden administration’s lack of response to the chemical warfare in that small town is especially indifferent and callous, bordering on evil.

Given the federal government’s responses to issues similar to the one in East Palestine in the past, the Biden government seems content to just sit this one out.

This would certainly seem to be something they normally would be wetting their Sam Brinton boudoir edition panties over (pick them up off the luggage carousel at your local airport).

But they aren’t.

Their mouths are slammed shut, they are firmly seated on their hands and their eyes are averted. The media is muted, they seem to be reporting because the must - but it is clear that they would really rather not get involved.

Now the news comes that FEMA has denied assistance to Ohio and East Palestine because they don’t “qualify” for assistance.

Really?

And Mike DeWine, allegedly a Republican and apparently a man with a spine of al dente spaghetti, is allowing them to get away with it.

Why would that be?

Why would a government what is intent on spending trillions of dollars to fight climate change, convert an entire national economy to “renewable energy”, force people into electrified public transportation, ban gas stoves, and end an entire industry (oil and gas) ignore an environmental disaster with the fallout potential of a small nuclear device?

The obvious answer is that they abandoned an issue of lower priority and importance to focus on one of higher priority and importance.

Think about it.

Democrats define “environmental racism” as a form of inequality that causes individual communities of color to face higher levels of exposure to environmental hazards when compared to the white population.

If there is such a thing as “environmental racism”, it must also exist in its opposite form of “environmental anti-racism”, which would be defined as exposing white populations, or allowing them to be exposed, white to environmental hazards as a way of balancing the scales of environmental justice.

This is exactly what the CRT crowd has been preaching for years. Ibram X. Kendi (aka Henry Rogers) and others have made fortunes writing books with the thesis that the only way to end racism is to be racist, just toward white people.

Of course, I have no conclusive evidence, but it would not be a stretch to make a pretty solid circumstantial case that an administration, including the agency responsible for transportation, that is laser focused on racist roads and too many white faces in construction crews might just have an abhorrent and lethal agenda.

Seems ruthless and evil, doesn’t it?

Probably because it is ruthless and evil.

I think this is how far the Democrat party has fallen. This far in, we are way beyond incompetence – this is willful. This can no longer be assumed to be passive aggression, this is active, directed and explicit aggression.

Honest minds must be asking if this has anything to do with East Palestine being predominantly white and poor. This is a city and county filled with the kind of people Democrats love to hate. Rural, unsophisticated, poor people who make their living by scratching in the dirt – and as an extra bonus, they are WHITE!

Ohio voted for Trump in 2020, Columbia County (where East Palestine sits) went for Trump over Biden by a margin of 72% to 27%. One must wonder if they are seen as nothing but disposable pawns, acceptable collateral damage in a greater war, their value only existing as a message to minorities in America that this government is willing to sacrifice white people at the altar of “equity”.

It boggles the mind and is offensive to our sense of what America has been – but perhaps this is what America has become.

This is taking “owning the cons” to a new and deadly level.

And it strips bare the banality and evil of Joe Biden and his coven of cackling demons


Let's revisit Bard's reposting of the latest white grievance conspiracy nonsense. We all know that the fool on the hill will never admit he has posted lies, or actually check before he posts some nonsense. But in the real world, there are facts:

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Federal investigators’ preliminary report provides clues about the cause of the derailment and the response.
By Ian Duncan and Luz Lazo
Updated February 23, 2023 at 10:29 a.m. EST|Published February 23, 2023 at 6:00 a.m. EST

This photo taken with a drone shows the continuing cleanup of portions of a Norfolk Southern freight train that derailed Friday night in East Palestine, Ohio, on Feb. 9. (AP/Gene J. Puskar)
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The crew of the Norfolk Southern train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, received an alert about an overheating wheel bearing and was trying to slow the train before it came off the tracks, according to a preliminary National Transportation Safety Board report released Thursday.

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As the engineer applied the brakes, an automatic braking system kicked in, according to the report. Investigators found that a wheel bearing was heating up over several miles as the train approached the derailment site, according to data from trackside sensors, but did not reach a critical threshold until shortly before the incident, when it registered 253 degrees above normal.

The report was released as Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg is visiting the scene in East Palestine, Ohio.

Buttigieg is set to get a briefing from investigators and meet with experts from his department who have been aiding the response. He is also expected to meet with members of the community, many of whom were forced to evacuate during a controlled burn of hazardous vinyl chloride in the derailed train cars.


The NTSB’s preliminary report didn’t formally reach conclusions about the cause of the derailment, but revealed new information about it. The board said last week it had gathered evidence showing that a wheel bearing on the train overheated.

The Feb. 3 derailment — characterized by images of a fireball and billowing smoke rising over the community near the Pennsylvania border — has ignited calls for stricter regulation and increased fines for railroad safety breaches. Twenty cars in the 149-car Norfolk Southern train were carrying hazardous materials, 11 of which derailed along with 27 cars carrying nonhazardous goods, the NTSB said.

The agency’s preliminary report on Thursday indicated the train was traveling at 47 mph, below the speed limit of 50 mph, when it went off the tracks.

After the train came to a stop, the crew reported fire and smoke to the dispatcher, alerting of a possible derailment, the report said. The crew then was instructed to apply handbrakes to the two rail cars at the head of the train, then uncoupled the head-end locomotives and moved them about one mile from the rail cars.


And of course, the better braking regulations that Trump blocked would have helped.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Braking would not do much for damaged and boobytrapped rails.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MalibuGuru wrote:
Braking would not do much for damaged and boobytrapped rails.


Such a sad and deranged man.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just so you know, train derailments are caused by:

55% - Tracks
18% - Train
18% - Person related
9% - Weather


https://econstructioncareers.com/news-insight/why-trains-derail
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From politifact.

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In 2014, following several high-profile train derailments, the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration and the Federal Railroad Administration (which both operate under the Department of Transportation) proposed rules to bolster safety standards for trains carrying hazardous materials.

A year later, these two agencies finalized the rule for trains carrying high-hazard, flammable materials. New trains were required to have the electronic brakes and older trains were required to be retrofitted with them by 2023.

A high-hazard flammable unit train was defined as a train going faster than 30 miles per hour with at least 70 loaded tank cars containing certain highly flammable liquids, such as crude oil and ethanol.

Electronically controlled pneumatic brakes work on all train cars simultaneously. This allows the train to brake faster than when equipped with conventional air brakes, which are applied sequentially along the length of the train.
r railway and oil companies pushed to repeal it, questioning the effectiveness of electronic brakes and arguing that the cost of installing them was too high.

Then in 2018, under the Trump administration, the Department of Transportation repealed the rule based on government reports that determined equipping high-hazard cargo trains with electronic brakes was not economically justified. The Associated Press reported that these government reports omitted up to $117 million in estimated future damages from train derailments that could be avoided by using electronic brakes.

However, even if this safety rule had still been in effect, it would not have applied to the Norfolk Southern train that derailed in East Palestine, because it was not categorized as a high-hazard cargo train.

Although the Norfolk Southern train contained hazardous materials, including vinyl chloride, it did not meet the Department of Transportation’s narrow definition of a high-hazard flammable unit train in that it didn’t have at least 70 cars containing flammable materials, such as crude oil or ethanol. The chemicals it was carrying fall into a different classification not included in this definition.

The National Transportation Safety Board told PolitiFact that the Norfolk Southern train was categorized as a "general merchandise" train and it used "pneumatic brakes," or conventional air brakes.


Now, with the facts on the table it is clear that the Obama administration didn't go far enough to prevent the latest derailment, and that the Trump administration repealed safety rules with reckless disregard for the consequences.
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