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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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IS the vote in? 28 states use the same software caught red-handed at converting thousands of Trump votes to Biden votes in Michigan, and many counties and states have violated many state and federal voting laws. Sorry to break it to ya, but overeager media proclaiming a done deal means squat. The fat lady ain't even warming up yet.


And it was used in 2016 , should the US get a do-over in Michigan , PA, WIS?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
IS the vote in? 28 states use the same software caught red-handed at converting thousands of Trump votes to Biden votes in Michigan, and many counties and states have violated many state and federal voting laws. Sorry to break it to ya, but overeager media proclaiming a done deal means squat. The fat lady ain't even warming up yet.



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can’t fix crazy.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The entire fraud effort is a movement to raise money to pay off campaign's large debt load. Give money minions !!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The left is eager to see Biden's victory become official for only one reason: They believe Biden won. They don't care about the long term threat to the USA if the media and the public continue to ignore the incredible variety and extent of the voting process violations and errors coming out of dozens of states and hundreds of counties to the tune of millions of votes. Hundreds of under-oath sworn affidavits testifying to such things as counters marking ballots and being ordered to err on the side of the Democrats, hundreds to thousands of boxes of uncounted ballots still surfacing, thousands of votes in one county all with the same signature, physical blockading of legal vote count monitors and much more don't even scratch the surface, and many more types of violations and thousands of incidences and counties and whole states across the nation are flooding in with every news cycle. It's disgusting that so few media give a hoot about their duty -- holding politicians' feet to the fire -- as long as their candidate wins. Don Lemon admitted on camera that he was overcome with joy that "Biden won".

Aside from all that, why should anyone have any faith in a victory declared by the media, without official proof and with literally thousands of pounds of proof to the contrary, especially when pre-election rally crowd sizes for the "losing" side outnumbered those of the "winning" side by hundreds to even thousands to one? Far more important to our nation and the world -- I hope -- than who wins is that our elections regain some credibility. Nothing more than a major fire can generate this tonnage of smoke, but if this fire isn't squelched by facts we could easily be looking at a one-party system for the rest of our lives. That's better known as a total dictatorship. (Biden's coronavirus czar has already stated that we will be pulling our masks over our mouths and noses while we chew each bite of restaurant food, that any vaccine will be allocated by age (youth first), and that complete lockdown may last for years. This isn't rumor; we watched his lips move.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wadda y'all think, Trump starts a war before January 20?

The Trump administration has carried out sweeping changes atop the Defense Department's civilian leadership structure, removing several of its most senior officials and replacing them with perceived loyalists to the President.

The flurry of changes, announced by the Department of Defense in a statement roughly 24 hours after President Donald Trump fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper, have put officials inside the Pentagon on edge and fueled a growing sense of alarm among military and civilian officials, who are concerned about what could come next.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/pentagon-policy-official-resigns/index.html
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penn postal worker who signed affidavid he witnessed vote fraud with the post office has now admitted he lied. So will trump put him in JAIL for fraud...

just heard it on MSNBC the last word...

updated he was a trump want a be, he ran a go fund me and bilked low level right wingers out of 130k in contributions to pay for his so called he was going into hiding. what a trumpish move, gee where did he learn about that ... hahaha suckers... and may he and trump rot in jail hell where they came from.. ie right winger heros.

right wingers are willing to lie about our voting to destroy america...

Postal worker admits fabricating Pennsylvania ballot
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3 hours ago — A Pennsylvania postal worker whose claims have been cited by top Republicans as potential evidence of widespread voting irregularities ...



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2 hours ago — A postal worker who acknowledged issues with Pennsylvania's mail-in voting system, has admitted that he lied to U.S. Postal Service ...


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A worker with the United States Postal Service (USPS) in Pennsylvania who went public with allegations of ballot tampering and signed an affidavit, has retracted his statement, according to the House Oversight Committee.

On November 6, Richard Hopkins told a right-wing activist website that he had witnessed his supervisor talking about backdating ballots and was later contacted by USPS investigators.

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But the investigators informed committee staff on Tuesday evening that Hopkins had recanted his allegations and would not explain why he had signed the false affidavit.

President Donald Trump has been trying to challenge the outcome of last week’s election, which was declared for Democrat Joe Biden on Saturday, by claiming – without any evidence – there was widespread voting fraud.


The day after Hopkins went public, he created a GoFundMe page saying he was willing to testify under oath that ballots were being backdated and asked for donations because he said his employer was threatening his job.

“Your donations are going to help me in the case I am wrongfully terminated from my job or I am forced into resigning due to [sic] ostrizization by my coworkers,” the GoFundMe page stated.

“It will help me get a new start in a place I feel safe and help me with child support until I am able to get settled and get a job.”

As of Tuesday evening, Hopkins had raised $133,000, but hours after Al Jazeera reached out to him for comment the GoFundMe page was deleted and he did not respond

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The Washington Post newspaper earlier reported that 32-year-old Hopkins had admitted to the USPS investigators that he had made up the allegations, citing three officials who had been briefed on the investigation.

Senior Republican Senator Lindsey Graham had seized on the postal worker’s testimony when he asked the Justice Department to investigate election fraud allegations, and Attorney General William Barr opened that investigation, the paper said.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pennsylvania-s-top-election-officer-says-just-10-000-ballots-were-received-after-nov-3/ar-BB1aTAXm?ocid=Peregrine


Pennsylvania’s top election officer says just 10,000 ballots were received after Nov. 3


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POLITICO logoPennsylvania’s top election officer says just 10,000 ballots were received after Nov. 3

Pennsylvania’s chief election officer announced on Tuesday that around 10,000 ballots were received between the close of polls on Election Day and the evening of Nov. 6 — a number far too small to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s margin of victory in a critical battleground state.

a person sitting at a table: Election officials proceed with the counting of ballots at the Allegheny County elections warehouse on Nov. 6, 2020, in Pittsburgh, Pa.© Jeff Swensen/Getty Images Election officials proceed with the counting of ballots at the Allegheny County elections warehouse on Nov. 6, 2020, in Pittsburgh, Pa.
The approximately 10,000 mail ballots are at the center of a case in front of the Supreme Court that President Donald Trump and his allies have pushed for, as they advance a broader strategy that’s less about actually making a cohesive legal argument than it is about undermining trust in the democratic process.


The case is perhaps the most prominent current lawsuit backed by Trump, as he seeks to undermine confidence in Biden’s victory. Trump and his allies have baselessly claimed that there was widespread election fraud, a charge that they have not substantiated to any significant degree. Both before and after the election, election administrators and voting experts rejected the premise of widespread fraud in American elections, saying that when it does occur, it is isolated and not a sign of a systemic problem. The New York Times surveyed election officials in nearly every state after the election, and said that “none reported any major voting issues.”

In Pennsylvania, mail ballots are typically due by the close of polls on Election Day, regardless of when they’re postmarked. The state Supreme Court extended the deadline in the state following a Democratic-backed lawsuit, citing the coronavirus pandemic and deliverability concerns within the U.S. Postal Service.

Republicans sought to challenge the state Supreme Court decision to the U.S. Supreme Court. The high court first deadlocked, 4-4, in mid-October on an emergency plea to block the state Supreme Court extension. The court then declined to take action again shortly before the election, but left open the option to return after the election to make a decision. Last week, Justice Samuel Alito ordered that those late-arriving ballots be segregated, but said they could still be tallied if they were “counted separately.”

The 10,000 ballots are immaterial to Biden’s victory in the critical battleground state. He currently leads by more than 47,000 votes, as the state continues to count ballots. Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar announced that there were approximately 94,000 provisional ballots issued to voters at the polls throughout the state on Election Day. Provisional ballots are cast when there’s a question about the voter’s eligibility. The qualifications are checked following the election and the ballot is not counted if the voter is ineligible, so not all 94,000 ballots will be counted.

“The counties have done an impressive job counting a record number of mail ballots and now are canvassing the provisional ballots, each of which must be considered individually,” Boockvar, a Democrat, said on Tuesday. “Millions of Pennsylvanians voted and made their voices heard in a free, fair and open election last week. I am so proud of the election officials and poll workers who worked tirelessly, amid a pandemic, so voters could decide this election.”

Some voting-rights experts have expressed confidence that the U.S. Supreme Court would ultimately not toss out the late-arriving ballots in Pennsylvania, noting that voters followed the guidance of their election officials at the time. But the case could instead serve as a major marker for how future election-law litigation would go, they said.


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For this case, “I don’t think people need to worry about this election,” Wendy Weiser, director of the democracy program at the Brennan Center, told POLITICO before the election. “I think people need to worry about the direction of the court and what it might be doing to voting rights going forward.”

Instead, the case could serve as an important marker over the “independent legislature” theory. The theory, in short, argues that the Constitution grants the power to state legislatures to set election laws, and that courts have usurped that role.

In a pair of briefs filed on Monday, 11 Republican state attorneys general argued that the Pennsylvania state Supreme Court’s order violated the Constitution.

“The power is specifically granted to state legislatures to direct time, place and manner [and] frameworks for their state’s election,” Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt, who led one of the two briefs, said at a news conference on Monday. The Pennsylvania state Supreme Court “overstepped their bounds and encroached on the legislature’s authority,” he asserted.

That theory was advanced perhaps most famously in then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist’s concurring opinion in Bush v. Gore, the Supreme Court fight that effectively decided the 2000 presidential election. Four current justices have either outright endorsed or signaled some level of support for Rehnquist’s theory: Clarence Thomas (who signed on to Rehnquist’s original concurring opinion), Brett Kavanaugh, Neil Gorsuch and Alito.

Additionally, 10 of the 11 Republican attorneys general embraced the president’s arguments about widespread election fraud. But their brief cited isolated cases from past elections, not a widespread problem with this one.

It is part of a broader assault on the legitimacy on this year’s election from the Republican Party.

In Georgia, the state’s Republican U.S. senators — Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue — both called on the Republican secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, to resign, claiming widespread malfeasance without alleging any particular instance of it. The state Republican Party and its House delegation both signed letters to Raffensperger with similar claims. Raffensperger strongly rejected both calls for him to step aside and that there was a problem with the election.

“We’re going to make sure that we follow through the process, that we’re going to count every legal ballot, and the results will be the results,” he said in an interview with The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “I’m a constitutional conservative. I follow the law.”

The GOP broadside on Raffensperger caused a case of strange bedfellows, with some voting-rights groups that have previously clashed with the Georgia secretary of state’s office coming to defense of the election.

“Questioning the results of our elections does a grave disservice to Georgia’s voters — and also to the tens of thousands of people who worked to ensure that our November 3 election was conducted safely and securely in the middle of a pandemic,” Aunna Dennis, the executive director of Common Cause Georgia, said in a statement on Tuesday.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biden will pop 51% --highest number for a challenger since FDR in '32 when he spanked Herbert Hoover, higher than Reagan's shellacking of Carter in '80.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump has never been involved in an election that was not rigged. Even an election that he won! What's the commonality? Trump.

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