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dllee



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can be said....those who always tack cannot plane out of their jibes.
And since NONE of you are pros, it does apply.
FWI.....I was tacking my 85 liter board in Sept. 1983, 3 weeks after my 1st ws lesson. On a 6.5 Hood Sail.
And jibes, none planing out for almost 10 months.
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isobars



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dllee wrote:
And since NONE of you are pros, it does apply.

Ditto for the theory that tacking inherently loses less ground than a fast, tight, successful jibe.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dllee wrote:
It can be said....those who always tack cannot plane out of their jibes.
And since NONE of you are pros, it does apply.
FWI.....I was tacking my 85 liter board in Sept. 1983, 3 weeks after my 1st ws lesson. On a 6.5 Hood Sail.
And jibes, none planing out for almost 10 months.


Anyone who always tacks isn't attempting jibes. Haven't seen anyone recommend always tacking. And given that many of us strive to improve and be the best windsurfers we can, learning to tack, and tacking when it's the best option gives us reason to look at the choices that pros make.

I have no doubt that you are able to tack. It's your disparagement of tacking I commented on.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:

Ditto for the theory that tacking inherently loses less ground than a fast, tight, successful jibe.


It's not a theory, it's an observable fact. Which is why all pros and those amateurs who can tack when getting upwind ASAP is the goal. A fast tight jibe is often the best available choice for most of us (say it's blowing 30 and we're on tiny sinkers) but in 5.5 conditions? Tacking wins the day. That's for amateurs. At Hookipa they're all tacking.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dllee wrote:
It can be said....those who always tack cannot plane out of their jibes.
And since NONE of you are pros, it does apply.
FWI.....I was tacking my 85 liter board in Sept. 1983, 3 weeks after my 1st ws lesson. On a 6.5 Hood Sail.
And jibes, none planing out for almost 10 months.

Yes, it can be said but that doesn't make it true it just makes it an opinion.
CURMUDGEON ALERT! Rolling Eyes
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wsatl



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
dllee wrote:
And since NONE of you are pros, it does apply.

Ditto for the theory that tacking inherently loses less ground than a fast, tight, successful jibe.


Just for kicks - what are the inherent definitions of a jibe and tack? Which one turns into the wind and which one away? Which one loses ground upwind the moment it's initiated?
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dllee



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you worried about losing ground?
Can't you plane and make your jibes?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All asked and answered ad nauseum in previous threads on this topic.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every new generation chooses to ignore history so they can repeat the mistakes.
You already know this.
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wsatl



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isobars wrote:
All asked and answered ad nauseum in previous threads on this topic.


You made the assertion in this thread. If you don't have an answer, just say so. If everything is asked and answered elsewhere, don't bother to participate in this one.

dllee, I'm not worried about losing ground. When I tack, I'm interested in gaining ground. Why take a left turn away from where I go instead of a right turn towards it? Also, it's a pretty rude (and incorrect) assumption to say I'm tacking because I can't do a planing jibe.

Anyway, as I've said before, these days, if I plane through a jibe, I've done it wrong. Wink
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