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2020 92L Freestyle board (Psycho) vs.2004 99L freeride board
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ghost1



Joined: 11 Mar 2013
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Location: Burlington Ontario, Canada

PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 10:41 pm    Post subject: 2020 92L Freestyle board (Psycho) vs.2004 99L freeride board Reply with quote

I'm about to spend a good amount of money and I really don't want to make a mistake I regret after purchase. I'm in my 9th year of windsurfing and I'm going to sell all my old gear and replace everything.

I'm wondering how this new board will compare to my old board. Also taking into consideration that I will be upgrading from aluminum boom to 100% carbon, and old 65% mast to new 100% carbon mast.

Goals
- I am hoping that despite being 7L less volume, 9cm less fin, and almost the same width... That Psycho will actually feel more stable and buoyant than Carve because of the reduced length and increased volume/thickness in tail and under footstraps. I'm hoping it planes earlier with smaller sails.

- Hoping the freestyle sails provide earlier planing than my current wave and free ride sails.

- Trying to have more stability when doing things like heli-tacks and more tail float to help me coming out of gybes.

- I can't do any freestyle tricks but this will be the board I learn on

- Hoping to use much smaller sails on this board in same wind I used big sails on the Carve.


Carve:
Year: 2004
Volume: 99L
Width: 60cm
Length: 253
Fin: 28cm free ride

Psycho
Year: 2020
Volume: 92L
Width: 61cm
Length: 219cm
Fin: 19cm freestyle

Rider:
- 5'7"
- 155lbs
- Mostly sailing in great lakes (Canada) and a bay. Always has some chop with 16-22kts pretty common. 25kts less common. 30kts rare. Over 30kts, maybe 2-3 times a year.
- I mostly use my 6.7, 5.8, 5.0 freewave sails now for my conditions.


There is also an option to get a 102L psycho which is 1.5cm wider. I know this will help more, but wondering at my weight if the 92L is more suitable.

Proposed sail quiver

- All Severne Freeks
- 4.0, 4.4, 4.8, 5.2 (Use my foil if I can't use 5.2)

Any advice is so much appreciated. I can't test the boards so once I buy it, it's mine!

Thank you,
Jonathan
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NOVAAN



Joined: 28 Sep 1994
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had and a friend has a carve 99 about the same year. This board is considered one of the great free ride boards. Early to plane, easy to turn and rides good in chop. If your goal is free style then a free style board is what you need. They can plane earlier per sail size but not with a smaller sail in the same wind. The trade off is all the width in the tail can make it bounce in turns and ride harsher in chop. Round rails allow for sliding tricks but make it a little more difficult to get up wind. I think you will notice the 7L when not on plane or if the wind dies. But should learn to deal with it as you progress. Back in the day you could demo a board. That would be the best way to answer your questions.
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NOVAAN



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a earlier discussion about the Psycho on this forum that might help..
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carl



Joined: 25 Feb 1997
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Location: SF bay area

PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2021 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't comment on either board but:
Since you're unsure of the new board, I would keep the old board until you are comfortable with the new board. 7 liters can make a big difference depending on shape, and it looks like those are completely different shapes too.
You're not going to get big money for a 2004 anyway, and there won't be much depreciation if you sell this season or next.


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loonie2



Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2021 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm going to say at your weight the 92L would be the natural choice. Mind you this is based on me being about 20lbs more than you and have not been on the Severne FS boards or a 92L size. I'm presently 99l Fanatic.

The one thing I would say is that I'm impressed with your all out dedication. Freestyle is not for everyone. It takes tenacity well beyond the typical windsurf versions and helps if others around you are into it as well. It's hard enough with the right gear (which you are getting) - next to no chance on a carve 99.

Further to your gear question, if you have not already done so, check out http://purewindsurfing.blogspot.com/. He's bigger than you but I think would be a reliable source of advice for what you're looking at. He's always saying the latest gear is the greatest but his positivity is hard to deny. He may be at Ocean Air Sports.

Good luck!
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cgoudie1



Joined: 10 Apr 2006
Posts: 2395
Location: Killer Sturgeon Cove

PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2021 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have experience with the Skate 99 (a similar freestyle board) and a more
traditional board shape in the same size. If your goal is freestyle you'll be
pleased. I saw the word stability a lot in your post. Not sure what that
means in your current situation definition, but a much shorter Freestyle
board isn't easier to ride, than a freeride board (generally). My goals
were almost he opposite of yours. I wanted to freeride (not freestyle), and
was looking for early planing and an easy (and surfy) ride in light winds
and short period swell. The planing was about the same, with about the
same size sails, so I sold the freestyle board. If it had been more planey,
or easier to ride, I would have kept it, but it wasn't.

Wishing you success in your endeavors,

-Craig
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dllee



Joined: 03 Jul 2009
Posts: 5054
Location: East Bay

PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2021 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with above.
FS more critical and higher strung.
Carve relax and play.
Same windrange.
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ghost1



Joined: 11 Mar 2013
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Location: Burlington Ontario, Canada

PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you everyone for your feedback, it helps me a lot with my upcoming purchase!
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philodog



Joined: 28 Apr 2000
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're going to wonder how you went so long without 100% carbon boom and mast!
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dllee



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Location: East Bay

PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbon boom is a luxury for those under 160 lbs.
I have sailed shortboards for 38 years, worked at shops for 23 years, have owned over 17 Carbon booms and for the past 3 years, barely ever use carbon booms.
Since the advent of foil, there is no gain from carbon booms.
And yes, I can say I am always at the top 10%, even with 50 rec sailors on the water.
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